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I can't agree with these arguments. A) IP geolocation is far from perfect, quite a few completely unrelated people could have been affected. B) There was a ch

by yyyk 5y ago

I can't agree with these arguments. A) IP geolocation is far from perfect, quite a few completely unrelated people could have been affected. B) There was a chance of massive collateral damage to stuff like hospitals, water company, etc. and therefore affecting civilians, including children. If you think Putin wouldn't use that to rally Russia and launch a massive war, you haven't observed Putin for long. We got very lucky this software equivalent of a warcrime was stopped early. Yet the punishment was absurdly light. I will staying away from NPM after that.

FDSGSG 5y ago
> If you think Putin wouldn't use that to rally Russia and launch a massive war, you haven't observed Putin for long. Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? Also, everybody capable of thinking understands that Russia isn't capable of launching another "massive war" when it already has almost all of its conventional combat power committed to Ukraine. If you think Putin would launch a nuclear war over wiper malware, you're an idiot. There's no other kind of "massive war" he could launch at this point. > this software equivalent of a warcrime Why not call it software holocaust if we're gonna go there? What's wrong with you?
- yyyk 5y ago
  >Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? >There's no other kind of "massive war" he could launch at this point. Russian society isn't anywhere near enthusiastic. That's why Putin has been searching for ever dumber excuses. Give him an actual indefensible incident to rally society around, and he'll get a lot more manpower. That could expand the war to Odessa and Moldova, and also 'retaliatory' cyberwar in the West. Now, there's a level of escalation I'm fine with risking - say, over stationing peacekeepers in parts of Ukraine. Stuff that actually helps Ukrainians. But over an self-appointed idiot's personal action which doesn't help anyone and nobody asked for? $#@! no. >Why not call it software holocaust if we're gonna go there? What's wrong with you? It's attacking civilians as to influence their government (except Russia is a dictatorship and the government doesn't even care). I have more pointed comparisons in mind, but I'll spare the thread.
  - def_true_false 5y ago
    What next? Is refusing doing business with Russia a war crime, too? After all, some civilians might lose their livelihoods and starve to death, right?
    - yyyk 5y ago
      There's an obvious difference between trying to hurt people and not trading with them yourself. If the distinction is difficult, there are laws to define this 'war crime' thing, you may wish to consult them. Also, Russia is relatively self-sufficient foodwise. There'll be shortages but no starvation. I'm sure though that if starvation was serious possiblity the West would exclude food imports.
      - vkou 5y ago
        I thought that food imports were already excluded from sanctions for this exact reason.
      - FDSGSG 5y ago
        > There's an obvious difference between trying to hurt people and not trading with them yourself Ah yes, because seizing Russian assets overseas is the same as "not trading with them".
        yyyk 5y ago
        >Ah yes, because seizing Russian assets overseas is the same as "not trading with them". Your bank account is held under terms. There are cases where freezing withdrawals is allowed. If you wish to avoid that, you are entitled to store your money under your mattress (or use the latest crypto fad and be subject to absurd exchange rate variations).
        vkou 5y ago
        Using another country's financial systems exposes you to significantly more counterparty risk, than using your own's. Nobody was forcing Russia's ruling class to have all their money in overseas bank accounts.

by yyyk 5y ago

FDSGSG 5y ago

> If you think Putin wouldn't use that to rally Russia and launch a massive war, you haven't observed Putin for long. Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? Also, everybody capable of thinking understands that Russia isn't capable of launching another "massive war" when it already has almost all of its conventional combat power committed to Ukraine. If you think Putin would launch a nuclear war over wiper malware, you're an idiot. There's no other kind of "massive war" he could launch at this point. > this software equivalent of a warcrime Why not call it software holocaust if we're gonna go there? What's wrong with you?

yyyk 5y ago
>Do you believe that node-ipc would do this but the current vastly more impactful sanctions regime wont? >There's no other kind of "massive war" he could launch at this point. Russian society isn't anywhere near enthusiastic. That's why Putin has been searching for ever dumber excuses. Give him an actual indefensible incident to rally society around, and he'll get a lot more manpower. That could expand the war to Odessa and Moldova, and also 'retaliatory' cyberwar in the West. Now, there's a level of escalation I'm fine with risking - say, over stationing peacekeepers in parts of Ukraine. Stuff that actually helps Ukrainians. But over an self-appointed idiot's personal action which doesn't help anyone and nobody asked for? $#@! no. >Why not call it software holocaust if we're gonna go there? What's wrong with you? It's attacking civilians as to influence their government (except Russia is a dictatorship and the government doesn't even care). I have more pointed comparisons in mind, but I'll spare the thread.
- def_true_false 5y ago
  What next? Is refusing doing business with Russia a war crime, too? After all, some civilians might lose their livelihoods and starve to death, right?
  - yyyk 5y ago
    There's an obvious difference between trying to hurt people and not trading with them yourself. If the distinction is difficult, there are laws to define this 'war crime' thing, you may wish to consult them. Also, Russia is relatively self-sufficient foodwise. There'll be shortages but no starvation. I'm sure though that if starvation was serious possiblity the West would exclude food imports.
    - vkou 5y ago
      I thought that food imports were already excluded from sanctions for this exact reason.
    - FDSGSG 5y ago
      > There's an obvious difference between trying to hurt people and not trading with them yourself Ah yes, because seizing Russian assets overseas is the same as "not trading with them".
      - yyyk 5y ago
        >Ah yes, because seizing Russian assets overseas is the same as "not trading with them". Your bank account is held under terms. There are cases where freezing withdrawals is allowed. If you wish to avoid that, you are entitled to store your money under your mattress (or use the latest crypto fad and be subject to absurd exchange rate variations).
      - vkou 5y ago
        Using another country's financial systems exposes you to significantly more counterparty risk, than using your own's. Nobody was forcing Russia's ruling class to have all their money in overseas bank accounts.