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https://www.githubstatus.com/ https://www.githubstatus.com/ at the time of posting, webhooks and actions are still struggling :( there have now been 23 incide

https://www.githubstatus.com/ https://www.githubstatus.com/ at the time of posting, webhooks and actions are still struggling :( there have now been 23 incident outages in 90 days. if anyone from Microsoft is reading this, you need to start considering this degradation as the companies highest priority. At this point, Gitea, Gitlab and others (self hosted or otherwise) are beginning to gain traction as a more reliable and performant alternative. Youre facing the very real possibility of spending nearly eight billion dollars to capture the developer mindshare of the internet, only to lose it in just four years.

awill 5y ago
Isn't that basically what happened to Skype? Microsoft paid $8.5B for Skype when it was on top of the world, and now I don't know a single person who uses it.
- iratewizard 5y ago
  They got patent trolled and flinched. They removed the things that made Skype best in class and turned it into just another low quality corporate messenger.
  - pzduniak 5y ago
    Was it really due to that lawsuit? IIRC the main issue with P2P was that you could discover anyone's IP address by knowing their Skype username. I recall that people used this to DoS people in multiplayer video games - they looked up accounts with roughly the same name as the in-game one and proceeded to drop their connection. It was especially common in League of Legends.
    - throwaway89645 5y ago
      Yep - It was bad enough that it was common practice for people to proxy their skypes through a third party. (It was pretty nice that Skype let you do that really easily though)
- queuebert 5y ago
  When my organization uses a Microsoft video conferencing product, we use Teams, not "Skype for Business". I have no idea why, as I don't schedule the meetings, but I can say that I can't imagine something sucking worse than Teams.
  - shafyy 5y ago
    Teams is the worst. I constantly miss messages, the video calling feature randomly freezes videos of participants, and sometimes my audio doesn't work for no apparent reason. Their Wiki feature sucks, too.
    - queuebert 5y ago
      It's also a CPU hog. Why can I watch a 4K video in VLC for hours, but throwing up a couple of 200x100 windows in Teams kills the CPU? I guess Teams is written by interns.
      - klhutchins 5y ago
        I just think about why would they force video conferencing into SharePoint?
  - rsstack 5y ago
    "Skype for Business" sucks more than Teams. But it's true: it's hard to imagine something like "Skype for Business". I had to use it for a few months when working with a business unit in a different country that were all forced to use it. We were all happy when their business unit's IT department agreed to move them from Skype to Teams.
  - anaccountexists 5y ago
    Teams is built on top of Skype for Business, SfB is one of the main backends for them.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Anecdotal: It's still the primary communications thing in my company and probably our customers (telecoms / networks, probably quite archaic).
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  €5.4bn for Nokia and that didn't work out for them either.
rvz 5y ago
> At this point, Gitea, Gitlab and others (self hosted or otherwise) are beginning to gain traction as a more reliable and performant alternative. Well there you go. The lesson is to not go 'all in' or 'centralize everything' on GitHub, which is what everyone was doing and why it has now become increasingly unreliable as I predicted, years ago in the long run. [0] Perhaps it is time to self-host then? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803
oneepic 5y ago
Did you see the following post? I can't prove the underlying issue caused this issue but I'd wager it's likely. And I'd wager they ARE prioritizing this. https://github.blog/2022-03-23-an-update-on-recent-service-disruptions/ https://github.blog/2022-03-23-an-update-on-recent-service-d...
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awill 5y ago

Isn't that basically what happened to Skype? Microsoft paid $8.5B for Skype when it was on top of the world, and now I don't know a single person who uses it.

iratewizard 5y ago
They got patent trolled and flinched. They removed the things that made Skype best in class and turned it into just another low quality corporate messenger.
- pzduniak 5y ago
  Was it really due to that lawsuit? IIRC the main issue with P2P was that you could discover anyone's IP address by knowing their Skype username. I recall that people used this to DoS people in multiplayer video games - they looked up accounts with roughly the same name as the in-game one and proceeded to drop their connection. It was especially common in League of Legends.
  - throwaway89645 5y ago
    Yep - It was bad enough that it was common practice for people to proxy their skypes through a third party. (It was pretty nice that Skype let you do that really easily though)
queuebert 5y ago
When my organization uses a Microsoft video conferencing product, we use Teams, not "Skype for Business". I have no idea why, as I don't schedule the meetings, but I can say that I can't imagine something sucking worse than Teams.
- shafyy 5y ago
  Teams is the worst. I constantly miss messages, the video calling feature randomly freezes videos of participants, and sometimes my audio doesn't work for no apparent reason. Their Wiki feature sucks, too.
  - queuebert 5y ago
    It's also a CPU hog. Why can I watch a 4K video in VLC for hours, but throwing up a couple of 200x100 windows in Teams kills the CPU? I guess Teams is written by interns.
    - klhutchins 5y ago
      I just think about why would they force video conferencing into SharePoint?
- rsstack 5y ago
  "Skype for Business" sucks more than Teams. But it's true: it's hard to imagine something like "Skype for Business". I had to use it for a few months when working with a business unit in a different country that were all forced to use it. We were all happy when their business unit's IT department agreed to move them from Skype to Teams.
- anaccountexists 5y ago
  Teams is built on top of Skype for Business, SfB is one of the main backends for them.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Anecdotal: It's still the primary communications thing in my company and probably our customers (telecoms / networks, probably quite archaic).
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
€5.4bn for Nokia and that didn't work out for them either.

rvz 5y ago

> At this point, Gitea, Gitlab and others (self hosted or otherwise) are beginning to gain traction as a more reliable and performant alternative. Well there you go. The lesson is to not go 'all in' or 'centralize everything' on GitHub, which is what everyone was doing and why it has now become increasingly unreliable as I predicted, years ago in the long run. [0] Perhaps it is time to self-host then? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803

oneepic 5y ago

Did you see the following post? I can't prove the underlying issue caused this issue but I'd wager it's likely. And I'd wager they ARE prioritizing this. https://github.blog/2022-03-23-an-update-on-recent-service-disruptions/ https://github.blog/2022-03-23-an-update-on-recent-service-d...

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