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Basically all big js front ends have the same issue. Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the U

Basically all big js front ends have the same issue. Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the US like myself. I mean a framework or library with a global audience shouldn't push american politics. Vue, React, Preact, Nodejs, Ember (had a whole page and made documentation unavailable for some time), Go lang, ExpressJS (still has the banner up), Typescript, a lot of python projects etc etc. The list can be made very long. I try to avoid any framework and library that pushes political agendas onto their sites because that signals what type of people are in charge of them. They must think that their political views are so important it must infiltrate every aspect of life even if the thing has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, there is such a large amount of them doing this it's practically impossible to avoid it. The funny thing is, now when Russia has invaded Ukraine there is no banners on the same websites so it's obvious some lives matters more than others in their views..

lucasmullens 5y ago
> The funny thing is, now when Russia has invaded Ukraine there is no banners on the same websites so it's obvious some lives matters more than others in their views.. Supporting one issue publicly does not mean you think it's more important than every issue you don't support publicly.
- staticelf 5y ago
  > Supporting one issue publicly does not mean you think it's more important than every issue you don't support publicly. There is a big difference with war and people being systematically killed and a potential unjust legal system. War is obviously many times worse in every aspect and I think it's hilarious on what these people publicly support and what they don't. It's hypocritical, unfair which makes it a big irony since that was what the BLM movement was all about (unfair treatment).
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  It would seem to. That was literally the whole thing of "inclusive language" right? It wasn't about what the words actually mean, just how people felt about them. If they felt the word was discriminatory, then it should be fixed. If you're going to throw up banners on every JS site for one cause and not another, you're saying very loudly you don't care as much about the other. You, under the logic of "discriminatory language" even be engaging in discrimination.
unmole 5y ago
> Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the US like myself. It isn't limited to JS frameworks. I remember seeing banners on Kubernetes docs too.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the US pretty sure they made sense to quite a few people outside the US: https://blacklivesmatter.uk/ https://blacklivesmatter.uk/ https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/06/frances-black-lives-matter-movement/ https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/06/frances-black-lives-matter-... https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/22/black-lives-matter-movement-latin-america-protests https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/22/...
- staticelf 5y ago
  Comparing europe with the US when it comes to the police killings is ridicolous. Sure there was attempts to bring it to europe but that is besides the point. There are a lot of countries in the world, many without any issues in which the BLM protested against. Why should we get pushed american politics for? What is the point? The UK as an example had something like 6 people killed that year when protests arrived. Most of which wasn't black if I remember correctly. Do you really think it's comparable to the issues that exists in the US? My critique is still valid tho, doesn't ukrainian lives matter? Why are there no banners for them?
KyeRussell 5y ago
Again, you’re calling this “political” because it doesn’t matter to you, and it certainly sounds like it doesn’t personally affect you. To other people, BLM is a serous existential threat. You’d lose your mind if someone chalked the question of your existence up to “politics”. You’re really showing your hand. And no, I’m not American either, but that doesn’t somehow make me blind to the fact that BLM is a big deal.
- staticelf 5y ago
  So why doesn't the same sites have banners for Ukrainian lives? Russias invasion is for sure a bigger existential threat to them since they got invaded by a foreign state. I think you're showing your hand, I am arguing for treating everyone the same and that the people in charge of these sites appears to care more about American lives than Ukrainian ones. If you're gonna have banners, then having them for ukraine is an obvious choice for me. OR.. maybe you could decide not to involve politics into tech with a global audience at all and skip all this bullshit.
bjt2n3904 5y ago
It's not even that a software project can't (or shouldn't) have political causes that it supports. It's the arrogant attitude that "if you aren't for me, then you're against me". That their views are so righteous, that the only people who could possibly object are bad actors.

lucasmullens 5y ago

> The funny thing is, now when Russia has invaded Ukraine there is no banners on the same websites so it's obvious some lives matters more than others in their views.. Supporting one issue publicly does not mean you think it's more important than every issue you don't support publicly.

staticelf 5y ago
> Supporting one issue publicly does not mean you think it's more important than every issue you don't support publicly. There is a big difference with war and people being systematically killed and a potential unjust legal system. War is obviously many times worse in every aspect and I think it's hilarious on what these people publicly support and what they don't. It's hypocritical, unfair which makes it a big irony since that was what the BLM movement was all about (unfair treatment).
vorpalhex 5y ago
It would seem to. That was literally the whole thing of "inclusive language" right? It wasn't about what the words actually mean, just how people felt about them. If they felt the word was discriminatory, then it should be fixed. If you're going to throw up banners on every JS site for one cause and not another, you're saying very loudly you don't care as much about the other. You, under the logic of "discriminatory language" even be engaging in discrimination.

unmole 5y ago

> Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the US like myself. It isn't limited to JS frameworks. I remember seeing banners on Kubernetes docs too.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Most of them had banners or whole pages for the BLM movement which made no sense to anyone outside of the US pretty sure they made sense to quite a few people outside the US: https://blacklivesmatter.uk/ https://blacklivesmatter.uk/ https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/06/frances-black-lives-matter-movement/ https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/06/frances-black-lives-matter-... https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/22/black-lives-matter-movement-latin-america-protests https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/22/...

staticelf 5y ago
Comparing europe with the US when it comes to the police killings is ridicolous. Sure there was attempts to bring it to europe but that is besides the point. There are a lot of countries in the world, many without any issues in which the BLM protested against. Why should we get pushed american politics for? What is the point? The UK as an example had something like 6 people killed that year when protests arrived. Most of which wasn't black if I remember correctly. Do you really think it's comparable to the issues that exists in the US? My critique is still valid tho, doesn't ukrainian lives matter? Why are there no banners for them?

KyeRussell 5y ago

Again, you’re calling this “political” because it doesn’t matter to you, and it certainly sounds like it doesn’t personally affect you. To other people, BLM is a serous existential threat. You’d lose your mind if someone chalked the question of your existence up to “politics”. You’re really showing your hand. And no, I’m not American either, but that doesn’t somehow make me blind to the fact that BLM is a big deal.

staticelf 5y ago
So why doesn't the same sites have banners for Ukrainian lives? Russias invasion is for sure a bigger existential threat to them since they got invaded by a foreign state. I think you're showing your hand, I am arguing for treating everyone the same and that the people in charge of these sites appears to care more about American lives than Ukrainian ones. If you're gonna have banners, then having them for ukraine is an obvious choice for me. OR.. maybe you could decide not to involve politics into tech with a global audience at all and skip all this bullshit.

bjt2n3904 5y ago

It's not even that a software project can't (or shouldn't) have political causes that it supports. It's the arrogant attitude that "if you aren't for me, then you're against me". That their views are so righteous, that the only people who could possibly object are bad actors.