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you can find a way to get by with slower internet The simulator gave you the option to go to the library instead. It also gave you the option to put the dog t

you can find a way to get by with slower internet The simulator gave you the option to go to the library instead. It also gave you the option to put the dog to sleep for $50, or just let the dog suffer. It seems to me you're ignoring that the simulator gave you a lot of cheaper options, it just wasn't afraid to point out that the cheaper options seriously suck. unless you jack the rate all the way up to 18% Not uncommon for someone with ruined credit. a pet who's costing an extra hundred bucks in rent No, a pet that's costing an extra $0 in rent, until the landlord finds out about it. Long term poverty creates a requirement that you bend and break the rules. You don't pay parking tickets. You don't pay phone bills. You go without insurance (health or even car). You don't get your car street legal. You don't take your dog to the vet. You don't tell your landlord you have a dog, because then he'll charge you extra. You dodge creditors. These bad decisions aren't always made so that people can still go to strip clubs and snort coke. All that shit catches up to you. I'm not gonna argue whether your poverty experience is universal enough to discredit this simulator, but the fact is, I'm kinda amazed that you don't factor any of that into these equations. To make it like there's no such thing as no-win situations when you don't have two nickels to rub together, I'm trying to wrap my head around that. To me, the simulator seemed to get something that you don't seem to. That shit creeps up on you, no matter how good of decisions you make. That it's really easy to say "Hey, there, poor person, why do you have a car, a phone, and a dog? Why aren't you living a life of total austerity so that your bootstraps last longer?" but that's a way more unrealistic perspective than any shortcomings of the simulator. I'm glad nothing terrible has happened to you, and you've had complete control over your life. That has not been a universal experience for me or the people I know.

lotharbot 15y ago
> "I'm glad nothing terrible has happened to you, and you've had complete control over your life." I'm disappointed that you continue to make assumptions about my life. I'm disappointed that you continue to call me callous and uncaring and other bullshit like that just because I think this simulator is crap. I'm disappointed that you've gone off with the "strip clubs and snort coke" strawman. I'm not going to post a sob story for you, but I am going to again request that you stop making assumptions about me and those I know. You're right that the simulator did occasionally offer cheaper options. What it didn't do is offer good cheaper options when they actually do exist. The simulator was so caught up in trying to point out how much being poor sucks that it made being poor extra-sucky by sticking you with only "expensive" or "bad" options and making you choose between them. As an example, you seem to insist that the $325/month car payment is completely legitimate and not at all a reasonable thing to cut back on. As if the only options are "new car with an 18% rate", "car financed in a shady way", or "looks like you can't get to work". I've pointed out a number of in-between options, which you keep finding ways to ignore or dismiss. Similarly, the options given for dealing with the dog, the internet, and your phone were unrealistically constrained to "this option costs a lot" and "this option sucks", when there are decent options that cost less. These particular scenarios are not no-win scenarios, the game just doesn't let you choose winning options. "Shit creeps up on you", you're right -- but the better decisions you make, the more easily you're able to weather it (and the less likely you are to get into true no-win scenarios.) You call solutions I have actually used "unrealistic", and then argue that the simulator realistically shows you how hard it is to be poor. You defend bad decisions and treat good decisions I've actually made as non-options. Which goes back to Dove's earlier point -- "It's clearly written from the perspective of someone who doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to do what they have to".

lotharbot 15y ago

> "I'm glad nothing terrible has happened to you, and you've had complete control over your life." I'm disappointed that you continue to make assumptions about my life. I'm disappointed that you continue to call me callous and uncaring and other bullshit like that just because I think this simulator is crap. I'm disappointed that you've gone off with the "strip clubs and snort coke" strawman. I'm not going to post a sob story for you, but I am going to again request that you stop making assumptions about me and those I know. You're right that the simulator did occasionally offer cheaper options. What it didn't do is offer good cheaper options when they actually do exist. The simulator was so caught up in trying to point out how much being poor sucks that it made being poor extra-sucky by sticking you with only "expensive" or "bad" options and making you choose between them. As an example, you seem to insist that the $325/month car payment is completely legitimate and not at all a reasonable thing to cut back on. As if the only options are "new car with an 18% rate", "car financed in a shady way", or "looks like you can't get to work". I've pointed out a number of in-between options, which you keep finding ways to ignore or dismiss. Similarly, the options given for dealing with the dog, the internet, and your phone were unrealistically constrained to "this option costs a lot" and "this option sucks", when there are decent options that cost less. These particular scenarios are not no-win scenarios, the game just doesn't let you choose winning options. "Shit creeps up on you", you're right -- but the better decisions you make, the more easily you're able to weather it (and the less likely you are to get into true no-win scenarios.) You call solutions I have actually used "unrealistic", and then argue that the simulator realistically shows you how hard it is to be poor. You defend bad decisions and treat good decisions I've actually made as non-options. Which goes back to Dove's earlier point -- "It's clearly written from the perspective of someone who doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to do what they have to".