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It's a bit crazy that it even matters. Or that systemd comes up at all in a selfhosting convo. I have friends that selfhost stuff on mac, windows, and linux.

It's a bit crazy that it even matters. Or that systemd comes up at all in a selfhosting convo. I have friends that selfhost stuff on mac, windows, and linux. They are probably above average as far as tech goes but they are all 30 somethings in non-tech jobs, real-estate, finance, advertising, sales. I field questions from time to time, but it's pretty rare. Never once got a question about an init system. On any os or distro. These guys aren't writing init scripts, they are going through the apps documentation and typing 'systemctl start appName.service' and then moving on. or starting it with docker or even one of the clever little web UIs that you can install that helps you install selfhosted apps. I thing there's a part of us that wants to believe this shit matters to normal users but they just don't care. And if the service doesn't start, they file a bug upstream and the maintainer usually takes care of it.

klodolph 5y ago
To be honest, I think the reason systemd comes up in a self-hosting conversation at all is because - Some people want to talk about how difficult things are, and come up with reasons to make things sound difficult, - Some people have an axe to grind, regarding systemd. The original poster brought up "workload scheduling" and while I've done plenty of that at work, I'm at a complete loss trying to guess why you would need workload scheduling for any self-hosting project.
- jethro_tell 5y ago
  I defiantly agree with you. I've never heard mac people sit around and talk about which init system it's running it's a complete non issue. It just doesn't matter to self-hosters and end users in any way shape or form.
  - klodolph 5y ago
    Ah, well, back in 2005 or so, Mac people were talking about launchd. Things have settled down since then.
    - jethro_tell 5y ago
      Back in 2005 I would guess many people using a Mac cared. Now? probably a much smaller percentage of the user base.

klodolph 5y ago

To be honest, I think the reason systemd comes up in a self-hosting conversation at all is because - Some people want to talk about how difficult things are, and come up with reasons to make things sound difficult, - Some people have an axe to grind, regarding systemd. The original poster brought up "workload scheduling" and while I've done plenty of that at work, I'm at a complete loss trying to guess why you would need workload scheduling for any self-hosting project.

jethro_tell 5y ago
I defiantly agree with you. I've never heard mac people sit around and talk about which init system it's running it's a complete non issue. It just doesn't matter to self-hosters and end users in any way shape or form.
- klodolph 5y ago
  Ah, well, back in 2005 or so, Mac people were talking about launchd. Things have settled down since then.
  - jethro_tell 5y ago
    Back in 2005 I would guess many people using a Mac cared. Now? probably a much smaller percentage of the user base.