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Why can't a manager or employee at any of the stores I go into in a week, all of which probably have cameras these days, be potentially doing the same thing? I

Why can't a manager or employee at any of the stores I go into in a week, all of which probably have cameras these days, be potentially doing the same thing? I mean, I get it -- we don't think they are likely to. Because that's not the purpose of the camera. Because we figure businesses are run by people "in charge" who have certain interests. We think we understand the purpose and intention of the cameras in the stores, and we don't understand the purpose or intention of the guy standing in the street, so imagine the worst. Plus the cameras in stores are often hidden so we avoid thinking about them entirely. But... we're on so many cameras, which just random employees at random stores have access to... or random homeowners with cameras pointing out their windows... it seems reasonable to me to be more worried about that then most people are. And I'm not sure I've meaniningfully given any kind of consent to any of it.

scyzoryk_xyz 5y ago
That is true. We cannot expect a perfect reality with capabilities of surveillance technology. However, last few years have shown here in Europe that it is possible to at least regulate what businesses do with the footage and personal data collected. GDPR - It doesn’t mean that an employee won’t do anything, but at least the legal entity for which he/she works is accountable and responsible for how this material is handled. And this employee can be fired. This means that inside a business or organization it isn’t advisable to even talk about doing things with the data/footage. And it means there are legal methods of properly handling and disposing of it. And that is pretty neat, although it has been criticized and berated by anti-EU sentiments because it adds paperwork. I’ve never been really worried about being observed or recorded, but after those 3D scanner things have popped up for passport checks I’ve become irritated. It’s obvious that there is unnecessary AI technology that’s sucking up all the available footage and extracting detailed information about me - beyond what is necessary for standard airport security. It’s not hard to imagine how an ML algo can be using this base somewhere out there to get all sorts of Minority Report style details.
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- jrochkind1 5y ago
  We of course don't have much like GPDR in the USA. I actually have no idea what laws (which probably vary from state to state) would control what is done with private surveillance footage -- I think it's possible almost no laws would. (My guess is that in states with two-party consent laws, you have "consented" to be videotaped by virtue of some sign posted at the entrance that says by entering you consent, and that once you have, they can do almost anything with it -- but I'm just guessing). I actually haven't read much about how GPDR applies to private surveillance video which I believe is as pervasive in most of Europe as it is here, if not more. Because it's never been as professional relevant to me as website/internet/software stuff. But now I'm curious to read more about that. (I believe "Surveillance Camera Man" was mostly or entirely in the USA, for what it's worth).

scyzoryk_xyz 5y ago

That is true. We cannot expect a perfect reality with capabilities of surveillance technology. However, last few years have shown here in Europe that it is possible to at least regulate what businesses do with the footage and personal data collected. GDPR - It doesn’t mean that an employee won’t do anything, but at least the legal entity for which he/she works is accountable and responsible for how this material is handled. And this employee can be fired. This means that inside a business or organization it isn’t advisable to even talk about doing things with the data/footage. And it means there are legal methods of properly handling and disposing of it. And that is pretty neat, although it has been criticized and berated by anti-EU sentiments because it adds paperwork. I’ve never been really worried about being observed or recorded, but after those 3D scanner things have popped up for passport checks I’ve become irritated. It’s obvious that there is unnecessary AI technology that’s sucking up all the available footage and extracting detailed information about me - beyond what is necessary for standard airport security. It’s not hard to imagine how an ML algo can be using this base somewhere out there to get all sorts of Minority Report style details.

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jrochkind1 5y ago
We of course don't have much like GPDR in the USA. I actually have no idea what laws (which probably vary from state to state) would control what is done with private surveillance footage -- I think it's possible almost no laws would. (My guess is that in states with two-party consent laws, you have "consented" to be videotaped by virtue of some sign posted at the entrance that says by entering you consent, and that once you have, they can do almost anything with it -- but I'm just guessing). I actually haven't read much about how GPDR applies to private surveillance video which I believe is as pervasive in most of Europe as it is here, if not more. Because it's never been as professional relevant to me as website/internet/software stuff. But now I'm curious to read more about that. (I believe "Surveillance Camera Man" was mostly or entirely in the USA, for what it's worth).