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Have you tried AMD? I don't know if they're suitable for your work, but I personally think AMD is great. Works well with Linux. They're definitely more open tha

by 2143 5y ago

Have you tried AMD? I don't know if they're suitable for your work, but I personally think AMD is great. Works well with Linux. They're definitely more open than Intel. And I felt (perhaps incorrectly) that you get more horsepower for your buck with AMD. Of course, M1 is pretty cool too.

hackerfromthefu 5y ago
Love me some AMD, running them on all my machines currently. However on desktop where power usage isn't an issue, Intel 12th gen performance has pulled ahead of AMD. Theoretically even on laptops too but I suspect they have the common problem of powerful Intel cpus in laptops where they cooling just can't hack it and they throttle to make it worthless getting top end Intel. So I believe AMD is still better on laptops presently.
- eertami 5y ago
  I don't disagree, but it is worth pointing out that Alder Lake released Nov 2021, one year after Zen 3 (Nov 2020). It'll be interesting to see what happens in the fight between Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. Right now feels like an awkward time to build a PC.
  - MrFoof 5y ago
    Add in ATX 3.0, ATX12VO 2.0, the new ATX12VHPWR connector, the I_PSU% feature, the beginning of PCIe 5.0, and the beginning and relative immaturity of DDR5… … right now I say to wait until the end of 2022 for a build. Let Zen 4 and Raptor Lake come out. Then realize Zen 5 and Comet Lake are likely another very real step above that the following year, though at least you’ll be able to take your new PSU, memory and GPU along with. Never mind the reality that Apple is just getting started. Granted, you can’t wait forever. I did a build last year, and now get to see how things shake out as all the new stuff comes available over the next few years.
dontlaugh 5y ago
Currently, AMD is more expensive for the same performance. Also, the AM4 socket is at the end of its life. Intel’s LGA 1700 is expected to be used for two more CPU generations, so there’s an upgrade path.
- InvaderFizz 5y ago
  That would be a departure from the norm for Intel. Do you have any sources? I was unable to find any info on Meteor Lake and board compatibility. That said, AM4 is a dead end socket, so building right now is a coin toss between the 12900k and the 5950x as far as price and performance. I'm not sure the 13900k is going to be much of an upgrade.
  - dontlaugh 5y ago
    No solid information on that third generation https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-12th-gen-Alder-Lake-S-will-use-a-larger-LGA-1700-socket-that-may-last-for-three-generations.463763.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-12th-gen-Alder-Lake-S-wi... I just bought a 12400 mostly because it was 15% cheaper than the 5600x and it comes with an iGPU. You're right that it's unclear whether 13th or 14th gen will be an upgrade or possible, respectively.
dotancohen 5y ago
I always buy AMD, but for another reason altogether. The process market could very easily become a single-player monopoly. Maybe less today, but that was certainly the case for a very long time. Thus, I always try to buy from the second- or third- place market leader. Diversity in hardware, just like software or biology, is good for the environment as a whole.

by 2143 5y ago

hackerfromthefu 5y ago

Love me some AMD, running them on all my machines currently. However on desktop where power usage isn't an issue, Intel 12th gen performance has pulled ahead of AMD. Theoretically even on laptops too but I suspect they have the common problem of powerful Intel cpus in laptops where they cooling just can't hack it and they throttle to make it worthless getting top end Intel. So I believe AMD is still better on laptops presently.

eertami 5y ago
I don't disagree, but it is worth pointing out that Alder Lake released Nov 2021, one year after Zen 3 (Nov 2020). It'll be interesting to see what happens in the fight between Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. Right now feels like an awkward time to build a PC.
- MrFoof 5y ago
  Add in ATX 3.0, ATX12VO 2.0, the new ATX12VHPWR connector, the I_PSU% feature, the beginning of PCIe 5.0, and the beginning and relative immaturity of DDR5… … right now I say to wait until the end of 2022 for a build. Let Zen 4 and Raptor Lake come out. Then realize Zen 5 and Comet Lake are likely another very real step above that the following year, though at least you’ll be able to take your new PSU, memory and GPU along with. Never mind the reality that Apple is just getting started. Granted, you can’t wait forever. I did a build last year, and now get to see how things shake out as all the new stuff comes available over the next few years.

dontlaugh 5y ago

Currently, AMD is more expensive for the same performance. Also, the AM4 socket is at the end of its life. Intel’s LGA 1700 is expected to be used for two more CPU generations, so there’s an upgrade path.

InvaderFizz 5y ago
That would be a departure from the norm for Intel. Do you have any sources? I was unable to find any info on Meteor Lake and board compatibility. That said, AM4 is a dead end socket, so building right now is a coin toss between the 12900k and the 5950x as far as price and performance. I'm not sure the 13900k is going to be much of an upgrade.
- dontlaugh 5y ago
  No solid information on that third generation https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-12th-gen-Alder-Lake-S-will-use-a-larger-LGA-1700-socket-that-may-last-for-three-generations.463763.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-12th-gen-Alder-Lake-S-wi... I just bought a 12400 mostly because it was 15% cheaper than the 5600x and it comes with an iGPU. You're right that it's unclear whether 13th or 14th gen will be an upgrade or possible, respectively.

dotancohen 5y ago

I always buy AMD, but for another reason altogether. The process market could very easily become a single-player monopoly. Maybe less today, but that was certainly the case for a very long time. Thus, I always try to buy from the second- or third- place market leader. Diversity in hardware, just like software or biology, is good for the environment as a whole.