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I didn't state either way, I just reported claims that anyone can verify online. Are you implying this didn't affect Wasmer's rejection from the Alliance?

syrusakbary 5y ago
> I didn't state either way, I just reported the claims that anyone can verify online. I hope you can understand how making unsupported claims of this caliber can be very damaging specially if done without any verification whatsoever. You didn't stated it but you did implied it. > Are you implying Wasmer was rejected from the Alliance for a different reason? You shall ask them instead of me.
- slimsag 5y ago
  > The rejection from the Bytecode Alliance was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct—both the individual CoC and the organizational CoC. > > We made both of these points explicit in the rejection email. In that email, we also said that if Wasmer established a track record of positive engagement, we would re-evaluate. From a BA member[0]. If I was you, I'd start reading some interpersonal communication books ASAP and really take some time to reflect deeply on what is happening here. It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future (your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what, the Bytecode Alliance rejecting you, people alleging harassment, etc.) and you're having a hard time understanding what they are doing and why. [0] https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-713652851 https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-71...
  - jeffparsons 5y ago
    And the response each time seems to be along the lines of "We're sorry... but also we didn't do anything wrong and it was just a misunderstanding... and also people are being mean to us". I can't see this company ever growing past the controversy that hangs over it, because it keeps fueling it with extreme defensiveness and half-apologies.
  - syrusakbary 5y ago
    > was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct I hope we can share the opinion that making this statement without actually pin-pointing into what's the exact behavior that is not compatible with the CoC makes the whole point plain. If provided, one can reflect upon that. Otherwise is just plain words that don't help in any way towards reflection or self-growth. > your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what That's my fault, as stated in the article and other comments here. Sometimes we try to chew more than we can swallow, and fuckups happen. If you been in a startup you probably know what I'm talking about. > people alleging harassment This one is the one that I think we have to be most cautious about, specially because anyone can "allege" anything. Tomorrow I can read in Twitter that someone likes to kill cats and I can say that "Allegedly X is a cat killer", but that doesn't make it any more true (and to be honest, it will be irresponsible for me sharing that without proof, even if I frame it as an allegation). It's on each of us the responsibility to seriously treat those claims by putting them in the hands of the authorities so any bad behavior is penalized with the law. > It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future Fortunately enough, the business thrives when we make a product that people like and use. And for me personally, I'm learning a lot and going through a lot of experiences that are for sure enriching. Thus, each day I'm (hopefully) becoming a better version of myself (or at least I try to!). Hope you do too!

syrusakbary 5y ago

> I didn't state either way, I just reported the claims that anyone can verify online. I hope you can understand how making unsupported claims of this caliber can be very damaging specially if done without any verification whatsoever. You didn't stated it but you did implied it. > Are you implying Wasmer was rejected from the Alliance for a different reason? You shall ask them instead of me.

slimsag 5y ago
> The rejection from the Bytecode Alliance was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct—both the individual CoC and the organizational CoC. > > We made both of these points explicit in the rejection email. In that email, we also said that if Wasmer established a track record of positive engagement, we would re-evaluate. From a BA member[0]. If I was you, I'd start reading some interpersonal communication books ASAP and really take some time to reflect deeply on what is happening here. It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future (your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what, the Bytecode Alliance rejecting you, people alleging harassment, etc.) and you're having a hard time understanding what they are doing and why. [0] https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-713652851 https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-71...
- jeffparsons 5y ago
  And the response each time seems to be along the lines of "We're sorry... but also we didn't do anything wrong and it was just a misunderstanding... and also people are being mean to us". I can't see this company ever growing past the controversy that hangs over it, because it keeps fueling it with extreme defensiveness and half-apologies.
- syrusakbary 5y ago
  > was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct I hope we can share the opinion that making this statement without actually pin-pointing into what's the exact behavior that is not compatible with the CoC makes the whole point plain. If provided, one can reflect upon that. Otherwise is just plain words that don't help in any way towards reflection or self-growth. > your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what That's my fault, as stated in the article and other comments here. Sometimes we try to chew more than we can swallow, and fuckups happen. If you been in a startup you probably know what I'm talking about. > people alleging harassment This one is the one that I think we have to be most cautious about, specially because anyone can "allege" anything. Tomorrow I can read in Twitter that someone likes to kill cats and I can say that "Allegedly X is a cat killer", but that doesn't make it any more true (and to be honest, it will be irresponsible for me sharing that without proof, even if I frame it as an allegation). It's on each of us the responsibility to seriously treat those claims by putting them in the hands of the authorities so any bad behavior is penalized with the law. > It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future Fortunately enough, the business thrives when we make a product that people like and use. And for me personally, I'm learning a lot and going through a lot of experiences that are for sure enriching. Thus, each day I'm (hopefully) becoming a better version of myself (or at least I try to!). Hope you do too!