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I realize it's not ideal, but whether inappropriate behavior took place or not is irrelevant to Wasmer's relationship to the Alliance. For all we know, it could

I realize it's not ideal, but whether inappropriate behavior took place or not is irrelevant to Wasmer's relationship to the Alliance. For all we know, it could be a misunderstanding due to different cultures (which is what the founder claimed). What is relevant, though, is that a member of the Alliance made public claims of inappropriate behavior by Wasmer's founder and, nearly a year later, boosted them to justify why they weren't personally collaborating. I'm not going to link this for the benefit of the victim, but in fairness they did publish this online, and you can still find it if you're really interested. And once you take this background into context, some of the issues Wasmer faces just seem to click. Consider the late-cofounder post-mortem you linked in a different thread: > Another point: Syrus Akbary also has made many public errors that have created hostility against the company. Could it be about different issues? Well, certainly, but that one issue was steaming for a year within the Alliance, so...

syrusakbary 5y ago
Let me put a hard stop here. Sexual harassment issues are a serious matter. They are not discussed online as a throwaway weapon. They are denounced to the relevant authorities so they can be punished by law. I will always defend anyone doing that even if the claim goes against my person or anyone I love. If you have chatted with anyone that has really suffered from it, you would know how important is to treat this things properly and not as a weapon to attack a company we don't like.
- donut-yogurt 5y ago
  I didn't state either way, I just reported claims that anyone can verify online. Are you implying this didn't affect Wasmer's rejection from the Alliance?
  - syrusakbary 5y ago
    > I didn't state either way, I just reported the claims that anyone can verify online. I hope you can understand how making unsupported claims of this caliber can be very damaging specially if done without any verification whatsoever. You didn't stated it but you did implied it. > Are you implying Wasmer was rejected from the Alliance for a different reason? You shall ask them instead of me.
    - slimsag 5y ago
      > The rejection from the Bytecode Alliance was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct—both the individual CoC and the organizational CoC. > > We made both of these points explicit in the rejection email. In that email, we also said that if Wasmer established a track record of positive engagement, we would re-evaluate. From a BA member[0]. If I was you, I'd start reading some interpersonal communication books ASAP and really take some time to reflect deeply on what is happening here. It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future (your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what, the Bytecode Alliance rejecting you, people alleging harassment, etc.) and you're having a hard time understanding what they are doing and why. [0] https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-713652851 https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-71...
      - jeffparsons 5y ago
        And the response each time seems to be along the lines of "We're sorry... but also we didn't do anything wrong and it was just a misunderstanding... and also people are being mean to us". I can't see this company ever growing past the controversy that hangs over it, because it keeps fueling it with extreme defensiveness and half-apologies.
      - syrusakbary 5y ago
        > was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct I hope we can share the opinion that making this statement without actually pin-pointing into what's the exact behavior that is not compatible with the CoC makes the whole point plain. If provided, one can reflect upon that. Otherwise is just plain words that don't help in any way towards reflection or self-growth. > your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what That's my fault, as stated in the article and other comments here. Sometimes we try to chew more than we can swallow, and fuckups happen. If you been in a startup you probably know what I'm talking about. > people alleging harassment This one is the one that I think we have to be most cautious about, specially because anyone can "allege" anything. Tomorrow I can read in Twitter that someone likes to kill cats and I can say that "Allegedly X is a cat killer", but that doesn't make it any more true (and to be honest, it will be irresponsible for me sharing that without proof, even if I frame it as an allegation). It's on each of us the responsibility to seriously treat those claims by putting them in the hands of the authorities so any bad behavior is penalized with the law. > It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future Fortunately enough, the business thrives when we make a product that people like and use. And for me personally, I'm learning a lot and going through a lot of experiences that are for sure enriching. Thus, each day I'm (hopefully) becoming a better version of myself (or at least I try to!). Hope you do too!

syrusakbary 5y ago

Let me put a hard stop here. Sexual harassment issues are a serious matter. They are not discussed online as a throwaway weapon. They are denounced to the relevant authorities so they can be punished by law. I will always defend anyone doing that even if the claim goes against my person or anyone I love. If you have chatted with anyone that has really suffered from it, you would know how important is to treat this things properly and not as a weapon to attack a company we don't like.

donut-yogurt 5y ago
I didn't state either way, I just reported claims that anyone can verify online. Are you implying this didn't affect Wasmer's rejection from the Alliance?
- syrusakbary 5y ago
  > I didn't state either way, I just reported the claims that anyone can verify online. I hope you can understand how making unsupported claims of this caliber can be very damaging specially if done without any verification whatsoever. You didn't stated it but you did implied it. > Are you implying Wasmer was rejected from the Alliance for a different reason? You shall ask them instead of me.
  - slimsag 5y ago
    > The rejection from the Bytecode Alliance was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct—both the individual CoC and the organizational CoC. > > We made both of these points explicit in the rejection email. In that email, we also said that if Wasmer established a track record of positive engagement, we would re-evaluate. From a BA member[0]. If I was you, I'd start reading some interpersonal communication books ASAP and really take some time to reflect deeply on what is happening here. It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future (your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what, the Bytecode Alliance rejecting you, people alleging harassment, etc.) and you're having a hard time understanding what they are doing and why. [0] https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-713652851 https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/issues/3#issuecomment-71...
    - jeffparsons 5y ago
      And the response each time seems to be along the lines of "We're sorry... but also we didn't do anything wrong and it was just a misunderstanding... and also people are being mean to us". I can't see this company ever growing past the controversy that hangs over it, because it keeps fueling it with extreme defensiveness and half-apologies.
    - syrusakbary 5y ago
      > was based on a history of behavior that isn’t compatible with the BA codes of conduct I hope we can share the opinion that making this statement without actually pin-pointing into what's the exact behavior that is not compatible with the CoC makes the whole point plain. If provided, one can reflect upon that. Otherwise is just plain words that don't help in any way towards reflection or self-growth. > your lawyers trademarking things without you understanding what That's my fault, as stated in the article and other comments here. Sometimes we try to chew more than we can swallow, and fuckups happen. If you been in a startup you probably know what I'm talking about. > people alleging harassment This one is the one that I think we have to be most cautious about, specially because anyone can "allege" anything. Tomorrow I can read in Twitter that someone likes to kill cats and I can say that "Allegedly X is a cat killer", but that doesn't make it any more true (and to be honest, it will be irresponsible for me sharing that without proof, even if I frame it as an allegation). It's on each of us the responsibility to seriously treat those claims by putting them in the hands of the authorities so any bad behavior is penalized with the law. > It seems like a lot of people around you are making decisions that gravely impact your business and personal future Fortunately enough, the business thrives when we make a product that people like and use. And for me personally, I'm learning a lot and going through a lot of experiences that are for sure enriching. Thus, each day I'm (hopefully) becoming a better version of myself (or at least I try to!). Hope you do too!