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> Iran, Russia, and China have very old societies with long histories. They, among others, have their own written histories. There is nothing significant preven

> Iran, Russia, and China have very old societies with long histories. They, among others, have their own written histories. There is nothing significant preventing western citizens from researching history books written elsewhere. Their long histories are besides the point. How many Americans recognize Kim Kardashian? Now tell us how many could recognize where Iran is on a map. The average American doesn’t know Noam Chomsky. The average US middle school or high school textbook gives a distorted perspective of history. The US “founding fathers” are portrayed as being all wise and noble, but I digress. > There is plenty of media content which is extremely critical of US. The media content is critical of the other political party. In international matters, they’ve generally presented Russia, China, and other non-European or NATO countries as corrupt, threatening, etc. In international matters, the US media has not only supported but practically cheerlead American war efforts. During the second Iraq War, CNN, ABC news, Fox, etc had correspondents “embedded” with the US military, purposely creating this fictitious narrative that Iraqis were viewing Americans as liberators. Meanwhile, American troops were rounding up civilians, forcing entry into their homes and searching house by house for hidden ammunitions and the so called “weapons of mass destruction”. Innocent Iraqis were murdered in cold blood for shooting at the invaders. Ya know, the same thing that Russians are doing now in Ukraine where we’re now calling them war criminals.

thephyber 5y ago
You are just complaining. You don’t have a theme in your comments except The West has done things to complain about (I totally agree). The average person would rather watch celebrity sleaze content and corporate outrage news than challenge their own priors by reading challenging pieces on foreign policy. Same as every place on Earth. I’m not going to defend US foreign policy, but your false equivalence of US collateral damage and Russian purposefully attacking civilian dwellings only wdilutes any argument you might have been making.
- ozzythecat 5y ago
  > I’m not going to defend US foreign policy, but your false equivalence of US collateral damage and Russian purposefully attacking civilian dwellings only wdilutes any argument you might have been making. When America murders innocent civilians or starts illegal wars, it’s simply “collateral damage”. When another country does it, it’s “purposefully attacking civilian dwellings”. This is exactly what I wrote in my post above - the sort of God/righteous complex that Westerners and particularly Americans have about their government, the same Americans who otherwise recognize their government is corrupt, sleazy, “the swamp”, or whatever other names they’ve come up with. It’s ironic that you responded a post later literally just confirming my claim. :)
  - thephyber 5y ago
    Still false equivalence. The Russian harm to innocents is orders of magnitudes higher than the US harm to innocents. It actually appears to be a core strategy in Ukraine, Chetchnia, and Afghanistan. They are firing artillery at civilian dwellings, cutting off food/fuel supply lines, and firing at refugee lines that aim for Poland rather than Russia. The US has a bad name from drone strikes, but those are done intentionally to minimize harm to innocents and Are avoided when the harm is too high compared to the target. There are very few cases of the US military intentionally firing on civilians. you are talking to the wrong person if you think I have a God/righteousness complex about my country/government. I am heavily critical of my own. But Russia’s invasion is as idiotic as most of the worst Trump/QAnon conspiracy theories.

thephyber 5y ago

You are just complaining. You don’t have a theme in your comments except The West has done things to complain about (I totally agree). The average person would rather watch celebrity sleaze content and corporate outrage news than challenge their own priors by reading challenging pieces on foreign policy. Same as every place on Earth. I’m not going to defend US foreign policy, but your false equivalence of US collateral damage and Russian purposefully attacking civilian dwellings only wdilutes any argument you might have been making.

ozzythecat 5y ago
> I’m not going to defend US foreign policy, but your false equivalence of US collateral damage and Russian purposefully attacking civilian dwellings only wdilutes any argument you might have been making. When America murders innocent civilians or starts illegal wars, it’s simply “collateral damage”. When another country does it, it’s “purposefully attacking civilian dwellings”. This is exactly what I wrote in my post above - the sort of God/righteous complex that Westerners and particularly Americans have about their government, the same Americans who otherwise recognize their government is corrupt, sleazy, “the swamp”, or whatever other names they’ve come up with. It’s ironic that you responded a post later literally just confirming my claim. :)
- thephyber 5y ago
  Still false equivalence. The Russian harm to innocents is orders of magnitudes higher than the US harm to innocents. It actually appears to be a core strategy in Ukraine, Chetchnia, and Afghanistan. They are firing artillery at civilian dwellings, cutting off food/fuel supply lines, and firing at refugee lines that aim for Poland rather than Russia. The US has a bad name from drone strikes, but those are done intentionally to minimize harm to innocents and Are avoided when the harm is too high compared to the target. There are very few cases of the US military intentionally firing on civilians. you are talking to the wrong person if you think I have a God/righteousness complex about my country/government. I am heavily critical of my own. But Russia’s invasion is as idiotic as most of the worst Trump/QAnon conspiracy theories.