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People in the balkans were actually rooting for Trump both times, because they (we) were afraid that another clinton in the white house will cause another war i

People in the balkans were actually rooting for Trump both times, because they (we) were afraid that another clinton in the white house will cause another war in the balkans. Now you guys have biden, but luckily (for us), the war is in ukraine and not here again.

unethical_ban 5y ago
Now [all but several countries in the world] have [leaders who oppose unprovoked wars in Europe] - Fixed it for you. Are there credible sites, books or videos that try to say there wasn't a genocide and brutal war being perpetrated primarily by the Serbs against muslims?
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Genocide? nah... if there was a genocide, there'd be no albanians left in kosovo. The situation was more like the situation in ukraine, where some separatist movements wanted a separate country, and the serbia wouldn't let them. The KLA would attack the serbs, and they'd attack the KLA. Then USA decided to attack serbia, like putin is attacking ukraine now, but that was considered good, because when america bombs someone, it's "bombing for peace".
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    There are Jews still in Israel. Continued existence of an ethnicity is not proof there was never ethnic cleansing. Anyway, thanks for the extensive sourcing, but I'll go read some books on Kosovo myself.
  - olau 5y ago
    I'm in no position to judge the actions of the US back then, but you're wrong about the genocide: > Although Serb forces had long been blamed for the massacre, it was not until June 2004—following the Srebrenica commission's preliminary report—that Serb officials acknowledged that their security forces planned and carried out the mass killing. A Serb commission's final report on the 1995 Srebrenica massacre acknowledged that the mass murder of the men and boys was planned. The commission found that more than 7,800 were killed after it compiled thirty-four[citation needed] lists of victims. > A concerted effort was made to capture all Bosniak men of military age.[114] In fact, those captured included many boys well below that age and elderly men several years above that age who remained in the enclave following the take-over of Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted regardless of whether they chose to flee to Potočari or to join the Bosnian Muslim column. The operation to capture and detain the Bosnian Muslim men was well organised and comprehensive. The buses which transported the women and children were systematically searched for men.[114] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
    - twelve40 5y ago
      the OP started this conversation about Kosovo, which was a separate conflict and a separate bombing campaign against Serbia.
- twelve40 5y ago
  > Are there credible sites Sure, we can start with, oh, the Wikipedia maybe? "there had been no evidence of genocide or ethnic cleansing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War and continue on to the UN as reported by BBC: A United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm

unethical_ban 5y ago

Now [all but several countries in the world] have [leaders who oppose unprovoked wars in Europe] - Fixed it for you. Are there credible sites, books or videos that try to say there wasn't a genocide and brutal war being perpetrated primarily by the Serbs against muslims?

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Genocide? nah... if there was a genocide, there'd be no albanians left in kosovo. The situation was more like the situation in ukraine, where some separatist movements wanted a separate country, and the serbia wouldn't let them. The KLA would attack the serbs, and they'd attack the KLA. Then USA decided to attack serbia, like putin is attacking ukraine now, but that was considered good, because when america bombs someone, it's "bombing for peace".
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  There are Jews still in Israel. Continued existence of an ethnicity is not proof there was never ethnic cleansing. Anyway, thanks for the extensive sourcing, but I'll go read some books on Kosovo myself.
- olau 5y ago
  I'm in no position to judge the actions of the US back then, but you're wrong about the genocide: > Although Serb forces had long been blamed for the massacre, it was not until June 2004—following the Srebrenica commission's preliminary report—that Serb officials acknowledged that their security forces planned and carried out the mass killing. A Serb commission's final report on the 1995 Srebrenica massacre acknowledged that the mass murder of the men and boys was planned. The commission found that more than 7,800 were killed after it compiled thirty-four[citation needed] lists of victims. > A concerted effort was made to capture all Bosniak men of military age.[114] In fact, those captured included many boys well below that age and elderly men several years above that age who remained in the enclave following the take-over of Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted regardless of whether they chose to flee to Potočari or to join the Bosnian Muslim column. The operation to capture and detain the Bosnian Muslim men was well organised and comprehensive. The buses which transported the women and children were systematically searched for men.[114] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
  - twelve40 5y ago
    the OP started this conversation about Kosovo, which was a separate conflict and a separate bombing campaign against Serbia.
twelve40 5y ago
> Are there credible sites Sure, we can start with, oh, the Wikipedia maybe? "there had been no evidence of genocide or ethnic cleansing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War and continue on to the UN as reported by BBC: A United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm