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This is the first thing I thought of when I saw her name. But I have to wonder what info she had that made her believe this? How many Iranians does in the 1980

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw her name. But I have to wonder what info she had that made her believe this? How many Iranians does in the 1980s in the war against Iraq? How many Kurds died to the government in Baghdad? I have started to question whether those in power actually have perverted value systems (as is a common meme) or whether they are privy to different facts. Not trying to apologize for this woman’s statement, just genuinely curious.

adamc 5y ago
It's an important question to ask.
creato 5y ago
They don’t even need to be privy to different facts for things like this to make some sense without resorting to assuming they have perverse values. You cited some possibilities yourself, data like that isn’t and wasn’t classified information. Most internet commentary and discussion on any matters of significance is hopelessly warped by an inability to understand context and scale. Some of that inability is bad faith argument, the rest is a mess of laziness, naivety, and shallow displays of superiority.
- thephyber 5y ago
  The point of my comment wasn’t to ignore your very plausible explanations. I expect there are many people that suffer from those. The point was to point out that epistemology works best when you make a good faith effort to understand how other people arrived at their conclusions. I have spent a lot of time recently trying to understand why many people are convinced about things like New World Order / Global Cabal / QAnon / Soros, Stop the Steal, various vaccine/COVID topics, multiple religious beliefs, and even why Putin believed he should “protect” Ukraine (assuming good faith). It’s far easier to bridge misunderstandings if you understand their motives, intent, desires, and the chain of facts that inform their worldview.

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This is the first thing I thought of when I saw her name. But I have to wonder what info she had that made her believe this? How many Iranians does in the 1980

by thephyber 5y ago

adamc 5y ago
It's an important question to ask.
creato 5y ago
They don’t even need to be privy to different facts for things like this to make some sense without resorting to assuming they have perverse values. You cited some possibilities yourself, data like that isn’t and wasn’t classified information. Most internet commentary and discussion on any matters of significance is hopelessly warped by an inability to understand context and scale. Some of that inability is bad faith argument, the rest is a mess of laziness, naivety, and shallow displays of superiority.
- thephyber 5y ago
  The point of my comment wasn’t to ignore your very plausible explanations. I expect there are many people that suffer from those. The point was to point out that epistemology works best when you make a good faith effort to understand how other people arrived at their conclusions. I have spent a lot of time recently trying to understand why many people are convinced about things like New World Order / Global Cabal / QAnon / Soros, Stop the Steal, various vaccine/COVID topics, multiple religious beliefs, and even why Putin believed he should “protect” Ukraine (assuming good faith). It’s far easier to bridge misunderstandings if you understand their motives, intent, desires, and the chain of facts that inform their worldview.