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It is interesting that people are so angry with secretaries of state, rather than presidents. Or is it both? I rarely hear Bill Clinton's name spoken with such

It is interesting that people are so angry with secretaries of state, rather than presidents. Or is it both? I rarely hear Bill Clinton's name spoken with such bitterness as Albright's as it relates to Kosovo, for example. Honestly I am too young to have remembered the oil for food program and just read some about it. I didn't know we were sanctioning Iraq like that through the 90s.

denormalized 5y ago
Former presidents have entire organizations dedicated to rehabilitating and amplifying their legacies. Former presidents also make high-profile appearances at sporting and other events which serve to make them more relatable to the populace. In other words, much better marketing.
AutumnCurtain 5y ago
Personally, I might be biased by my personal friendship with Kosovar Muslims, but I view the NATO interventions in Kosovo as a pretty unambiguously good thing. No idea whether this sentiment will be popular here. They ended a genocide and acted within clear guidelines with international unity.
ardit33 5y ago
- denormalized 5y ago
  Are you saying that the many critical commenters with multiple years of HN activity and karma are Russian bots?
  - ardit33 5y ago
    Yes. Long term bots, or people with malicious intent. This is not why were are at HN. People like them are completely ruining this site. Spreading hate and missinfo. She wasn't in power both when 91 and 2003 invasions (it was republican presidents for both parts). Also they are leaving the part: Sadam invaded Iran Sadam gased/chemical attacked Iran Sadam invaded Kuwait Sadam Chemically attacked/killed almost 100k of Kurds in Northern Iraq Sadam was cruel to his own people and killed and repressed many There you. They wont tell you that the sanctions of the 90s, were directly correlated with his brutal repression (up to using gas attacks) to the Kurdish people in the north. So, whoever ommits these things is completely using dissinfo for hateful purposes.
    - trasz 5y ago
      Except her actions resulted in many more deaths, mr long term US bot.
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  It is easy to say that narrative that won't fit my knowledge is Russian bot or propaganda. Just take it as different opinion and get over it.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  I will say this, I personally know several Serbians who dislike her. You should go to Belgrade and ask around how they like the Clintons. I agree that there is a lot of bot/shill activity in places like Twitter/reddit, but please reconsider thinking everyone who thinks different is doing so in bad faith.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
People in the balkans were actually rooting for Trump both times, because they (we) were afraid that another clinton in the white house will cause another war in the balkans. Now you guys have biden, but luckily (for us), the war is in ukraine and not here again.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  Now [all but several countries in the world] have [leaders who oppose unprovoked wars in Europe] - Fixed it for you. Are there credible sites, books or videos that try to say there wasn't a genocide and brutal war being perpetrated primarily by the Serbs against muslims?
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    Genocide? nah... if there was a genocide, there'd be no albanians left in kosovo. The situation was more like the situation in ukraine, where some separatist movements wanted a separate country, and the serbia wouldn't let them. The KLA would attack the serbs, and they'd attack the KLA. Then USA decided to attack serbia, like putin is attacking ukraine now, but that was considered good, because when america bombs someone, it's "bombing for peace".
    - unethical_ban 5y ago
      There are Jews still in Israel. Continued existence of an ethnicity is not proof there was never ethnic cleansing. Anyway, thanks for the extensive sourcing, but I'll go read some books on Kosovo myself.
    - olau 5y ago
      I'm in no position to judge the actions of the US back then, but you're wrong about the genocide: > Although Serb forces had long been blamed for the massacre, it was not until June 2004—following the Srebrenica commission's preliminary report—that Serb officials acknowledged that their security forces planned and carried out the mass killing. A Serb commission's final report on the 1995 Srebrenica massacre acknowledged that the mass murder of the men and boys was planned. The commission found that more than 7,800 were killed after it compiled thirty-four[citation needed] lists of victims. > A concerted effort was made to capture all Bosniak men of military age.[114] In fact, those captured included many boys well below that age and elderly men several years above that age who remained in the enclave following the take-over of Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted regardless of whether they chose to flee to Potočari or to join the Bosnian Muslim column. The operation to capture and detain the Bosnian Muslim men was well organised and comprehensive. The buses which transported the women and children were systematically searched for men.[114] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

denormalized 5y ago

Former presidents have entire organizations dedicated to rehabilitating and amplifying their legacies. Former presidents also make high-profile appearances at sporting and other events which serve to make them more relatable to the populace. In other words, much better marketing.

AutumnCurtain 5y ago

Personally, I might be biased by my personal friendship with Kosovar Muslims, but I view the NATO interventions in Kosovo as a pretty unambiguously good thing. No idea whether this sentiment will be popular here. They ended a genocide and acted within clear guidelines with international unity.

ardit33 5y ago

denormalized 5y ago
Are you saying that the many critical commenters with multiple years of HN activity and karma are Russian bots?
- ardit33 5y ago
  Yes. Long term bots, or people with malicious intent. This is not why were are at HN. People like them are completely ruining this site. Spreading hate and missinfo. She wasn't in power both when 91 and 2003 invasions (it was republican presidents for both parts). Also they are leaving the part: Sadam invaded Iran Sadam gased/chemical attacked Iran Sadam invaded Kuwait Sadam Chemically attacked/killed almost 100k of Kurds in Northern Iraq Sadam was cruel to his own people and killed and repressed many There you. They wont tell you that the sanctions of the 90s, were directly correlated with his brutal repression (up to using gas attacks) to the Kurdish people in the north. So, whoever ommits these things is completely using dissinfo for hateful purposes.
  - trasz 5y ago
    Except her actions resulted in many more deaths, mr long term US bot.
t0bia_s 5y ago
It is easy to say that narrative that won't fit my knowledge is Russian bot or propaganda. Just take it as different opinion and get over it.
unethical_ban 5y ago
I will say this, I personally know several Serbians who dislike her. You should go to Belgrade and ask around how they like the Clintons. I agree that there is a lot of bot/shill activity in places like Twitter/reddit, but please reconsider thinking everyone who thinks different is doing so in bad faith.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

People in the balkans were actually rooting for Trump both times, because they (we) were afraid that another clinton in the white house will cause another war in the balkans. Now you guys have biden, but luckily (for us), the war is in ukraine and not here again.

unethical_ban 5y ago
Now [all but several countries in the world] have [leaders who oppose unprovoked wars in Europe] - Fixed it for you. Are there credible sites, books or videos that try to say there wasn't a genocide and brutal war being perpetrated primarily by the Serbs against muslims?
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Genocide? nah... if there was a genocide, there'd be no albanians left in kosovo. The situation was more like the situation in ukraine, where some separatist movements wanted a separate country, and the serbia wouldn't let them. The KLA would attack the serbs, and they'd attack the KLA. Then USA decided to attack serbia, like putin is attacking ukraine now, but that was considered good, because when america bombs someone, it's "bombing for peace".
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    There are Jews still in Israel. Continued existence of an ethnicity is not proof there was never ethnic cleansing. Anyway, thanks for the extensive sourcing, but I'll go read some books on Kosovo myself.
  - olau 5y ago
    I'm in no position to judge the actions of the US back then, but you're wrong about the genocide: > Although Serb forces had long been blamed for the massacre, it was not until June 2004—following the Srebrenica commission's preliminary report—that Serb officials acknowledged that their security forces planned and carried out the mass killing. A Serb commission's final report on the 1995 Srebrenica massacre acknowledged that the mass murder of the men and boys was planned. The commission found that more than 7,800 were killed after it compiled thirty-four[citation needed] lists of victims. > A concerted effort was made to capture all Bosniak men of military age.[114] In fact, those captured included many boys well below that age and elderly men several years above that age who remained in the enclave following the take-over of Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted regardless of whether they chose to flee to Potočari or to join the Bosnian Muslim column. The operation to capture and detain the Bosnian Muslim men was well organised and comprehensive. The buses which transported the women and children were systematically searched for men.[114] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre