4 ms·

Wow, that is a thing that you do not want to do. Milk straight from the udder is full of e.g. chunks of fat. It goes through multiple steps before it is recog

Wow, that is a thing that you do not want to do. Milk straight from the udder is full of e.g. chunks of fat. It goes through multiple steps before it is recognizable as the same stuff we buy in the store. Plus, the cow would probably step on you.

jobigoud 5y ago
Still not sure what went through the head of the first human that tried this. If it weren't considered normal it would be so gross.
- Grustaf 5y ago
  Why would it be gross? Breast milk is the first thing we drink, it's an almost perfect food. Drinking cow milk isn't very far fetched, especially when you keep cattle for meat. Seems like the most natural thing in the world frankly.
- adhesive_wombat 5y ago
  For a lot of human history (and even up to the present in some places), but certainly around the time cattle were domesticated, starvation was only ever just one bad harvest away. When last year they were deciding whether it's better to eat their own kids, let the kids eat them or just all die painfully together, drinking cow lactate was probably the least bad thing that happened to Grog and Grag this year.
semi-extrinsic 5y ago
What do you mean "chunks of fat"? Do you mean the fact that milk naturally separates after some time? I'm pretty sure chunks of anything in a cow's milk that is only a minute old is a serious sign of disease. Ask basically any dairy farmer, and they will be happy to tell you they drink the milk straight from the cow. They probably have a couple of jugs in the fridge.
- throwawaycities 5y ago
  > Ask basically any dairy farmer, and they will be happy to tell you they drink the milk straight from the cow. Not modern dairy farmers with cows loaded up with antibiotics, which generally all accumulate in the fat (cream). Even for organic farmers drinking unpasteurized milk would be an exception not the rule, it’s just an unnecessary health risk.
- failrate 5y ago
  I grew up on a farm, and I milked the cows and sheep. When milk is brand new, it is not homogeneous. To get what we buy in the store it must have excess fat removed off of the top, pasteurized, and homogenized. We had a machine the size of a large water cooler with three different spouts on it to do the initial separation.
  - watwut 5y ago
    But you don't have to do any of that to actually drink that milk, get nutricients and be fine. Two of these are basically matter of preference. And "people deep in the past", whatever what it means, would want to eat fat with all its calories and all that. And pasteurization makes it safer, but is not necessary strictly speaking. I can even still buy unpasteurized milk - but it is more expensive due to higher hygiene requirements currently. But in the past, they would just drink it (and get sick occasionally).
watwut 5y ago
Nah, people in villages drink that. Fresh cows milk was considered higher quality.
WalterGR 5y ago
> Plus, the cow would probably step on you. Cows are pretty docile during milking. I mean, it’s not a great idea to crawl under _any_ object that size that can move unexpectedly, but if you’re in a quiet barn (to avoid the cow getting spooked) you could get away with it.
adhesive_wombat 5y ago
People drink raw milk all the time (and until pretty recently in history, that's the only way it really came, until that Pasteur guy figured it out). Modern milk is homogenised to death because of squeamishness about food being biological in origin, people don't like lumps in their tea, and some people think cream bits means it's off. But within living memory, I remember cream on retail milk being quite common (and I'm sure it still is in places with local fresh milk). True, it's not a great idea to drink raw milk due to various diseases, so you'd be better to heat treat it first, but you certainly don't have to homogenise it to drink it.
- kaba0 5y ago
  Just to add, drinking milk is pretty much only a thing of people from European descent — the gene responsible for digesting lactose can cause 3 variations: you can digest it as a baby (human milk also has it), you can digest it to around your teenage years, or you will be able to digest it afterwards as well. This variation is suspected to mutate during famines.

jobigoud 5y ago

Still not sure what went through the head of the first human that tried this. If it weren't considered normal it would be so gross.

Grustaf 5y ago
Why would it be gross? Breast milk is the first thing we drink, it's an almost perfect food. Drinking cow milk isn't very far fetched, especially when you keep cattle for meat. Seems like the most natural thing in the world frankly.
adhesive_wombat 5y ago
For a lot of human history (and even up to the present in some places), but certainly around the time cattle were domesticated, starvation was only ever just one bad harvest away. When last year they were deciding whether it's better to eat their own kids, let the kids eat them or just all die painfully together, drinking cow lactate was probably the least bad thing that happened to Grog and Grag this year.

semi-extrinsic 5y ago

What do you mean "chunks of fat"? Do you mean the fact that milk naturally separates after some time? I'm pretty sure chunks of anything in a cow's milk that is only a minute old is a serious sign of disease. Ask basically any dairy farmer, and they will be happy to tell you they drink the milk straight from the cow. They probably have a couple of jugs in the fridge.

throwawaycities 5y ago
> Ask basically any dairy farmer, and they will be happy to tell you they drink the milk straight from the cow. Not modern dairy farmers with cows loaded up with antibiotics, which generally all accumulate in the fat (cream). Even for organic farmers drinking unpasteurized milk would be an exception not the rule, it’s just an unnecessary health risk.
failrate 5y ago
I grew up on a farm, and I milked the cows and sheep. When milk is brand new, it is not homogeneous. To get what we buy in the store it must have excess fat removed off of the top, pasteurized, and homogenized. We had a machine the size of a large water cooler with three different spouts on it to do the initial separation.
- watwut 5y ago
  But you don't have to do any of that to actually drink that milk, get nutricients and be fine. Two of these are basically matter of preference. And "people deep in the past", whatever what it means, would want to eat fat with all its calories and all that. And pasteurization makes it safer, but is not necessary strictly speaking. I can even still buy unpasteurized milk - but it is more expensive due to higher hygiene requirements currently. But in the past, they would just drink it (and get sick occasionally).

watwut 5y ago

Nah, people in villages drink that. Fresh cows milk was considered higher quality.

WalterGR 5y ago

> Plus, the cow would probably step on you. Cows are pretty docile during milking. I mean, it’s not a great idea to crawl under _any_ object that size that can move unexpectedly, but if you’re in a quiet barn (to avoid the cow getting spooked) you could get away with it.

adhesive_wombat 5y ago

People drink raw milk all the time (and until pretty recently in history, that's the only way it really came, until that Pasteur guy figured it out). Modern milk is homogenised to death because of squeamishness about food being biological in origin, people don't like lumps in their tea, and some people think cream bits means it's off. But within living memory, I remember cream on retail milk being quite common (and I'm sure it still is in places with local fresh milk). True, it's not a great idea to drink raw milk due to various diseases, so you'd be better to heat treat it first, but you certainly don't have to homogenise it to drink it.

kaba0 5y ago
Just to add, drinking milk is pretty much only a thing of people from European descent — the gene responsible for digesting lactose can cause 3 variations: you can digest it as a baby (human milk also has it), you can digest it to around your teenage years, or you will be able to digest it afterwards as well. This variation is suspected to mutate during famines.