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Maybe there's still hope for some stewardship of feeds. I have some ideas I'm playing with. I think the key is not leaving the past behind, but also not being l

Maybe there's still hope for some stewardship of feeds. I have some ideas I'm playing with. I think the key is not leaving the past behind, but also not being limited by it.

bmn__ 5y ago
You were really bad at handling the RSS spec. Your boundless ego got in everyone's way, and in the end you left everyone disappointed: the feed subscribers, the Web authors, the library implementers. Shame on you. It was so bad that people got together and made a whole new set of specs because it was literally impossible to salvage RSS.
- davewiner 5y ago
  hmm. RSS worked pretty well for something that needed salvaging, as you say. the mess was created by vendors who wouldn't work with each other. i stepped back after 2.0, people could've done anything they wanted.
  - bmn__ 5y ago
    Ah yes, blaming someone else, when we have have historic records that it was you who is responsible. Who do you hope to make an impression on with your lies? You haven't changed one bit. • http://p3rl.org/XML::RAI#DESCRIPTION http://p3rl.org/XML::RAI#DESCRIPTION • https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/arc... (For those following along, Userland ⩵ Winer.)
    - davewiner 5y ago
      I like the first document, circa 2009. We were doing the same thing in Frontier at the time, because as the author says, it all was a bit of a mess. I use the feedparser package in my JS work written by my friend Dan MacTough, that hides the differences between all flavors of RSS, RDF and Atom. https://www.npmjs.com/package/feedparser https://www.npmjs.com/package/feedparser I don't know what role you think I played in RSS, but I never had the power to change what people were doing. I could only do things in my own software and with publishing partners. I had influence only because I had (at the time) popular products and some good ideas (like podcasting).

Maybe there's still hope for some stewardship of feeds. I have some ideas I'm playing with. I think the key is not leaving the past behind, but also not being limited by it.

bmn__ 5y ago

You were really bad at handling the RSS spec. Your boundless ego got in everyone's way, and in the end you left everyone disappointed: the feed subscribers, the Web authors, the library implementers. Shame on you. It was so bad that people got together and made a whole new set of specs because it was literally impossible to salvage RSS.

davewiner 5y ago
hmm. RSS worked pretty well for something that needed salvaging, as you say. the mess was created by vendors who wouldn't work with each other. i stepped back after 2.0, people could've done anything they wanted.
- bmn__ 5y ago
  Ah yes, blaming someone else, when we have have historic records that it was you who is responsible. Who do you hope to make an impression on with your lies? You haven't changed one bit. • http://p3rl.org/XML::RAI#DESCRIPTION http://p3rl.org/XML::RAI#DESCRIPTION • https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/arc... (For those following along, Userland ⩵ Winer.)
  - davewiner 5y ago
    I like the first document, circa 2009. We were doing the same thing in Frontier at the time, because as the author says, it all was a bit of a mess. I use the feedparser package in my JS work written by my friend Dan MacTough, that hides the differences between all flavors of RSS, RDF and Atom. https://www.npmjs.com/package/feedparser https://www.npmjs.com/package/feedparser I don't know what role you think I played in RSS, but I never had the power to change what people were doing. I could only do things in my own software and with publishing partners. I had influence only because I had (at the time) popular products and some good ideas (like podcasting).