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We are more mobile today than at any point in history, to be honest (at least in western European style cultures... for a large portion of the world, this state

We are more mobile today than at any point in history, to be honest (at least in western European style cultures... for a large portion of the world, this statement might hold true, but to a much lesser degree, if at all). Indentures servitude has been abolished to a large degree (this can be argued, but this is argumentative on the basis of predatory and college loans) and slavery has been outlawed (again, this can be argued than prison labor is a form of slave labor in states like California when used to fight wildfires, but I'm not sure how much water those arguments hold). Conscripted military service is gone in America and a lot of European countries (though several have mandatory service requirements). Job mobility and the ability to save money is, while not easier than any point in history on a point by point history basis (the 60's and 80's, I believe were easier... check my math, I might be wrong, there may have been others), on a macro scale of history - comparing medieval, renaissance or previous Europe and Russian and Chinese wealth distribution, mobility and freedoms of self - rent/mortgage may be due, but you can still break your agreement, sell your house (there may be a penalty), quit your job and be a homeless ascetic if you want. There are dozens of YouTube channels on VanLife you can watch people doing it... not for me, but you can do it. You can join an abbey (though, I think you could have always done this... I'm not sure about this). You can leave the system and jump off the wheel, you just have to jump off the wheel and stop getting what the wheel gives you.

wahnfrieden 5y ago
We have less freedom of movement at will and ability to disobey orders than at many long stretches of civilization, at least according to anthro and archaeology research covered in Graeber’s last/new book
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
I hope you don't mind, but I've reformatted your comment so that I could read it more easily and thought others would benefit as well: We are more mobile today than at any point in history, to be honest[0]. Indentures servitude has been abolished to a large degree[1] and slavery has been outlawed[2]. Conscripted military service is gone in America and a lot of European countries[3]. Job mobility and the ability to save money is, while not easier than any point in history on a point by point history basis[4], on a macro scale of history - comparing medieval, renaissance or previous Europe and Russian and Chinese wealth distribution, mobility and freedoms of self - rent/mortgage may be due, but you can still break your agreement, sell your house[5], quit your job and be a homeless ascetic if you want. There are dozens of YouTube channels on VanLife you can watch people doing it... not for me, but you can do it. You can join an abbey[6]. You can leave the system and jump off the wheel, you just have to jump off the wheel and stop getting what the wheel gives you. [0] at least in western European style cultures... for a large portion of the world, this statement might hold true, but to a much lesser degree, if at all [1] this can be argued, but this is argumentative on the basis of predatory and college loans [2] again, this can be argued than prison labor is a form of slave labor in states like California when used to fight wildfires, but I'm not sure how much water those arguments hold [3] though several have mandatory service requirements [4] the 60's and 80's, I believe were easier... check my math, I might be wrong, there may have been others [5] there may be a penalty [6] though, I think you could have always done this... I'm not sure about this
- UnpossibleJim 5y ago
  Yeah, sorry. I was rushing to get the thought out. I should have gone back and reformatted to make it legible. Thank you =)
- aconsult1 5y ago
  I have to stop and comment on parent's behavior. You saw a comment that was poorly written and took on the job to rewrite and extract the good part so it could be understood by the general public. It's such a nice gesture and at the same time shows a lot of initiative and attitude that I wish people in my team had it hard coded in their kernels. Your team, whoever they are, are lucky to have you.

wahnfrieden 5y ago

We have less freedom of movement at will and ability to disobey orders than at many long stretches of civilization, at least according to anthro and archaeology research covered in Graeber’s last/new book

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

I hope you don't mind, but I've reformatted your comment so that I could read it more easily and thought others would benefit as well: We are more mobile today than at any point in history, to be honest[0]. Indentures servitude has been abolished to a large degree[1] and slavery has been outlawed[2]. Conscripted military service is gone in America and a lot of European countries[3]. Job mobility and the ability to save money is, while not easier than any point in history on a point by point history basis[4], on a macro scale of history - comparing medieval, renaissance or previous Europe and Russian and Chinese wealth distribution, mobility and freedoms of self - rent/mortgage may be due, but you can still break your agreement, sell your house[5], quit your job and be a homeless ascetic if you want. There are dozens of YouTube channels on VanLife you can watch people doing it... not for me, but you can do it. You can join an abbey[6]. You can leave the system and jump off the wheel, you just have to jump off the wheel and stop getting what the wheel gives you. [0] at least in western European style cultures... for a large portion of the world, this statement might hold true, but to a much lesser degree, if at all [1] this can be argued, but this is argumentative on the basis of predatory and college loans [2] again, this can be argued than prison labor is a form of slave labor in states like California when used to fight wildfires, but I'm not sure how much water those arguments hold [3] though several have mandatory service requirements [4] the 60's and 80's, I believe were easier... check my math, I might be wrong, there may have been others [5] there may be a penalty [6] though, I think you could have always done this... I'm not sure about this

UnpossibleJim 5y ago
Yeah, sorry. I was rushing to get the thought out. I should have gone back and reformatted to make it legible. Thank you =)
aconsult1 5y ago
I have to stop and comment on parent's behavior. You saw a comment that was poorly written and took on the job to rewrite and extract the good part so it could be understood by the general public. It's such a nice gesture and at the same time shows a lot of initiative and attitude that I wish people in my team had it hard coded in their kernels. Your team, whoever they are, are lucky to have you.