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Russia to switch European payments for gas supplies to roubles

10 points by sarmike31 5y ago

iamsanteri 5y ago
Dear hackers, does anyone have enough of an analytical eye or knowledge from around the topic to open up what this means in more detail? I know this can prop up the rouble which is probably the goal, as well as probably indicates that Kremlin is willing to close the gas supply completely if this request will not be complied with. I’m wondering about if this could however backfire somehow towards Russia in some unexpected ways it did not completely think through? I guess the question is here whether and how much depended EU is on this gas now…
- Someone 5y ago
  I don’t see Russia stop selling gas and oil to the EU. Russia needs the money as much as the EU needs the gas. They may start using an artificial exchange rate for the rouble, though. About 40% of EU gas usage (and over a quarter of its oil usage) is Russian gas (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-gas-import/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-...). They plan to reduce that by ⅔ by the end of the year (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/%5Beuropa_tokens:europa_interface_language%5D/ip_22_1511 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/%5Beuropa...)
  - iamsanteri 5y ago
    Wow thats an insane change in just a year. Jesus, it looks like Russia is really driving itself into a corner and the time is ticking.
    - mediumsmart 5y ago
      So true, the chess clock is ticking while the west is playing lego in their corner. >The Ruble strengthened against the $: from 104R to 97R in matter of less than two hours after president #Putin's historical announcement on gas being sold only in Rubles to the West. De-dollarization.
  - bigbizisverywyz 5y ago
    The EU and other counties can get the gas and (especially) oil elsewhere, admittedly at not such a cheap price. Russia however has just alienated its biggest paying customers, and for what?
jeanluc_discard 5y ago
This is the crux of what we're seeing play out. Next, rubles will be backed by gold/silver -- and then we officially mark the start of a new world order.
- ecf 5y ago
  A military country who can’t even take over a weaker neighbor is in no position to start a new world order. What are you on? Edit: 9 upvote account, get lost Russian troll.
  - decebalus1 5y ago
    Honestly, HN has been invaded lately with accounts posting brazen Kremlin propaganda.
Normille 5y ago
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10 points by sarmike31 5y ago

Dear hackers, does anyone have enough of an analytical eye or knowledge from around the topic to open up what this means in more detail? I know this can prop up the rouble which is probably the goal, as well as probably indicates that Kremlin is willing to close the gas supply completely if this request will not be complied with. I’m wondering about if this could however backfire somehow towards Russia in some unexpected ways it did not completely think through? I guess the question is here whether and how much depended EU is on this gas now…

Someone 5y ago
I don’t see Russia stop selling gas and oil to the EU. Russia needs the money as much as the EU needs the gas. They may start using an artificial exchange rate for the rouble, though. About 40% of EU gas usage (and over a quarter of its oil usage) is Russian gas (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-gas-import/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-...). They plan to reduce that by ⅔ by the end of the year (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/%5Beuropa_tokens:europa_interface_language%5D/ip_22_1511 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/%5Beuropa...)
- iamsanteri 5y ago
  Wow thats an insane change in just a year. Jesus, it looks like Russia is really driving itself into a corner and the time is ticking.
  - mediumsmart 5y ago
    So true, the chess clock is ticking while the west is playing lego in their corner. >The Ruble strengthened against the $: from 104R to 97R in matter of less than two hours after president #Putin's historical announcement on gas being sold only in Rubles to the West. De-dollarization.
- bigbizisverywyz 5y ago
  The EU and other counties can get the gas and (especially) oil elsewhere, admittedly at not such a cheap price. Russia however has just alienated its biggest paying customers, and for what?

jeanluc_discard 5y ago

This is the crux of what we're seeing play out. Next, rubles will be backed by gold/silver -- and then we officially mark the start of a new world order.

ecf 5y ago
A military country who can’t even take over a weaker neighbor is in no position to start a new world order. What are you on? Edit: 9 upvote account, get lost Russian troll.
- decebalus1 5y ago
  Honestly, HN has been invaded lately with accounts posting brazen Kremlin propaganda.

Normille 5y ago

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