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Cost of Camry: $25,395 [0] Cost of T-72: $2,000,000 [1] 0. https://www.toyota.com/camry/2022/ https://www.toyota.com/camry/2022/ 1. https://www.quora.com/Wh

by adolph 5y ago

Cost of Camry: $25,395 [0] Cost of T-72: $2,000,000 [1] 0. https://www.toyota.com/camry/2022/ https://www.toyota.com/camry/2022/ 1. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-price-of-a-T-72-tank https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-price-of-a-T-72-ta...

Hamuko 5y ago
Well yeah, the math works out if you can trade in an NLAW or dozen into an inoperational T-72, but I'm not entirely sure 7 minutes 20 seconds is enough time to turn untrained people into effective anti-tank infantry, and not just blow up themselves, their house, or even friendly troops.
ed_balls 5y ago
better comparison is that fully equipped tank, with a trained crew, maintenance and logistics is 10mln. To shoot eliminate a tank you need about 7 shots from a NLAW and about 4 people that need very little training. The best way to eliminate a tank to cut off supplies to it, so it's better to destroy trucks.
- Reason077 5y ago
  Seven shots? According to the brochure, "Its armour-piercing warhead can destroy heavily protected MBTs in a single shot." https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw
  - ed_balls 5y ago
    on average. You miss 70% and you may need 1-3 hits. (smoke or other protection, tank engine maybe cold etc.) Tanks with active protection are even better. You hit less than 10% with nlaw. Newest Javelin is a bit better. That's why light infantry focus on trucks.
    - adolph 5y ago
      Trucks are better targets since without them tanks aren't very mobile, whereupon artillery becomes more effective against them. A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel. Refueling and rearming of a tank platoon--four tanks--is approximately 30 minutes under ideal conditions. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-sp... See also laager: https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Laager https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Laager
dragontamer 5y ago
But those tanks are worth less than $8000 according to the Ukrainian IRS, so anyone taking those tanks as trophies doesn't have to worry about the tax implications (no matter their working condition). Thus: the farmers stealing tanks meme.
- adolph 5y ago
  Folks in the US won't be so lucky if they are so unlucky as to have a war in their back 40. Intuit says IRS tax will be 25% of fair market value at time of finding. https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-to-know-about-taxes-on-found-property/L9BfdKz7N https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-to-know-ab...
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mbreese 5y ago
The GP didn’t mean the cost of the tank… but the cost of the NLAW. Which mentioned elsewhere here is around $40,000. So, the cost of the anti tank weapon isn’t that far off from the cost of a high-end Camry (XSE V6 $35,820).
- Reason077 5y ago
  That's the point. These things cost only ~$40,000, yet are highly effective at destroying tanks that cost many times as much. Single-shot kill rates of over 90% have been reported

by adolph 5y ago

Hamuko 5y ago

Well yeah, the math works out if you can trade in an NLAW or dozen into an inoperational T-72, but I'm not entirely sure 7 minutes 20 seconds is enough time to turn untrained people into effective anti-tank infantry, and not just blow up themselves, their house, or even friendly troops.

ed_balls 5y ago

better comparison is that fully equipped tank, with a trained crew, maintenance and logistics is 10mln. To shoot eliminate a tank you need about 7 shots from a NLAW and about 4 people that need very little training. The best way to eliminate a tank to cut off supplies to it, so it's better to destroy trucks.

Reason077 5y ago
Seven shots? According to the brochure, "Its armour-piercing warhead can destroy heavily protected MBTs in a single shot." https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw
- ed_balls 5y ago
  on average. You miss 70% and you may need 1-3 hits. (smoke or other protection, tank engine maybe cold etc.) Tanks with active protection are even better. You hit less than 10% with nlaw. Newest Javelin is a bit better. That's why light infantry focus on trucks.
  - adolph 5y ago
    Trucks are better targets since without them tanks aren't very mobile, whereupon artillery becomes more effective against them. A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel. Refueling and rearming of a tank platoon--four tanks--is approximately 30 minutes under ideal conditions. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-sp... See also laager: https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Laager https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Laager

dragontamer 5y ago

But those tanks are worth less than $8000 according to the Ukrainian IRS, so anyone taking those tanks as trophies doesn't have to worry about the tax implications (no matter their working condition). Thus: the farmers stealing tanks meme.

adolph 5y ago
Folks in the US won't be so lucky if they are so unlucky as to have a war in their back 40. Intuit says IRS tax will be 25% of fair market value at time of finding. https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-to-know-about-taxes-on-found-property/L9BfdKz7N https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/what-to-know-ab...
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mbreese 5y ago

The GP didn’t mean the cost of the tank… but the cost of the NLAW. Which mentioned elsewhere here is around $40,000. So, the cost of the anti tank weapon isn’t that far off from the cost of a high-end Camry (XSE V6 $35,820).

Reason077 5y ago
That's the point. These things cost only ~$40,000, yet are highly effective at destroying tanks that cost many times as much. Single-shot kill rates of over 90% have been reported