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Google Maps tells Russians Crimea is in Russia, tells Ukrainians it's in Ukraine

1 points by MrNosy 5y ago

MrNosy 5y ago
Does anyone know how to see what this artist saw? How can I see what Russian's see when they use Google Maps? I'd love to know how Google Maps is representing Ukraine and Russia's current borders.
- sidcool 5y ago
  VPN?
hunglee2 5y ago
Localisation is one way 'not to take a side' Leaving aside the merits / demerits of this specific case, cartography presents an interesting dilemma - is there a single source of truth, if so what is it, and what happens if adherence to it contravenes of the prevailing mood? Explicable decision by Google, avoid the issue
- MrNosy 5y ago
  It is explicable, but I think they are still taking a side? Within Russia, Google is agreeing with Putin's claims on Crimea, regardless of whether that represents the views of people in Russia, or Crimea. On cartography, yes, the artist, Simon Weckert, makes a point about that dilemma "With maps it is possible to enforce truth claims of knowledge under specific conditions, which are closely interwoven with power." I guess international law, the UN is supposed to be the arbiter of this , rather than Google and it's commercial interests in the countries in which it operates.
  - thisgoodlife 5y ago
    UN is useless when the Permanent Five is involved in the dispute. There is no way Russia and the US will agree on a resolution.
  - hunglee2 5y ago
    Yes this is true UN should be final arbiter. However, UN rulings are frequently overturned or ignored when run contravention to the opinions of the most powerful countries. Palestine / Israel, an obvious example.
mtmail 5y ago
That's pretty standard with the big mapping providers. Sometimes called world view (one of many) or political view. For example a law in India says you have to use the official border when building in product in India, let's say put a navigation system in a car sold there. There's 90 disputed areas listed on wikipedia (Western Sahara has 4 different views even, some islands are claimed by 3 even 4 countries).
- WalterGR 5y ago
  “List of territorial disputes” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

1 points by MrNosy 5y ago

Does anyone know how to see what this artist saw? How can I see what Russian's see when they use Google Maps? I'd love to know how Google Maps is representing Ukraine and Russia's current borders.

sidcool 5y ago
VPN?

hunglee2 5y ago

Localisation is one way 'not to take a side' Leaving aside the merits / demerits of this specific case, cartography presents an interesting dilemma - is there a single source of truth, if so what is it, and what happens if adherence to it contravenes of the prevailing mood? Explicable decision by Google, avoid the issue

MrNosy 5y ago
It is explicable, but I think they are still taking a side? Within Russia, Google is agreeing with Putin's claims on Crimea, regardless of whether that represents the views of people in Russia, or Crimea. On cartography, yes, the artist, Simon Weckert, makes a point about that dilemma "With maps it is possible to enforce truth claims of knowledge under specific conditions, which are closely interwoven with power." I guess international law, the UN is supposed to be the arbiter of this , rather than Google and it's commercial interests in the countries in which it operates.
- thisgoodlife 5y ago
  UN is useless when the Permanent Five is involved in the dispute. There is no way Russia and the US will agree on a resolution.
- hunglee2 5y ago
  Yes this is true UN should be final arbiter. However, UN rulings are frequently overturned or ignored when run contravention to the opinions of the most powerful countries. Palestine / Israel, an obvious example.

mtmail 5y ago

That's pretty standard with the big mapping providers. Sometimes called world view (one of many) or political view. For example a law in India says you have to use the official border when building in product in India, let's say put a navigation system in a car sold there. There's 90 disputed areas listed on wikipedia (Western Sahara has 4 different views even, some islands are claimed by 3 even 4 countries).

WalterGR 5y ago
“List of territorial disputes” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes