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> Prove it. :) You have yet to explain why a single comment, heard second- or third-hand, about a putative 650 MHz CPU in the 1960s, is so believable that you

> Prove it. :) You have yet to explain why a single comment, heard second- or third-hand, about a putative 650 MHz CPU in the 1960s, is so believable that you would rather believe there's a secret project a least a decade ahead of the rest of the world, than believe it was misheard or falsified. The only people I know who do that are conspiracy theorists. > The classified story could be different. Yes, and you could be living inside a Truman-like artificial environment, where everything around you is a carefully constructed zoo of what humans used to be like. Now prove you aren't. Or, Richard Dolan could be a cockamamie conspiracy theorist. Prove he isn't. > How do you know what's impossible? Because I have an idea of how much work it takes to make something like a Cray and what materials technology was like. Integrated chips were still new. The Apollo Guidance Computer famously was the first computer based on silicon ICs, and it was about the level of an Apple ][. The earlier discrete systems would be speed of light limited. 650 MHz means light travels 46 cm in vacuum. Which is roughly the size of the Apollo Guidance Computer. And we have many stories about how hard it was to build the AGC, and how much work it took to program it. Your conspiracy theory requires a system which is about 300x more powerful than the Apollo program could develop, despite access to the world's public resources. It seems you would rather make up a fake history about the secret world than enjoy the amazing work that actually did happen. > Manhattan Project's Fat Man The Manhattan Project is quite instructive about how hard it is to keep things a secret. Quoting http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/03/29/narratives-of-manhattan-project-secrecy/ http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/03/29/narratives-of-manh... ] There were leaks about the Manhattan Project (and atomic bombs and energy in general) printed in major press outlets in the United States and abroad. It was considered an “open secret” among Washington politicos and journalists that the Army was working on a new super-weapon that involved atomic energy just prior to its use. Don't forget the Soviets knew about it too. > many experts more clever than Cray in their niche In the niche field of high performance computing, there was no one better than Cray. Again, 'How do you talk to God?' That's one of the more annoying things about conspiracy experts. They demean the history we know about by presuming there must be a secret history so much better that brilliant people like Cray are but shadows of these unnamed people who never boast about themselves, never write memoirs, and whose works are never de-classified, even now when 1GHz laptops are passé. And they don't care to learn more about actual history to understand when something doesn't have the ring of truth.

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I haven't looked at it yet. Hold up, let me read and get back to your message from sometime Friday. I've got a very busy time until then. :)
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  I'm sorry for my delay in replying you, I need to set up a customer demo this weekend. I really have no time for this until I can properly read it and reply. Probably Monday! Thanks, hope you have a good weekend. :)
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    Hello eesmith, I finally got to your comment. I'm sorry about my delay, I was so busy and I think this is important so I wanted to set aside some time where I could really think about it and respond properly. I hope you enjoy! :) > Prove it. :) You have yet to explain … you would rather believe there's a secret project a least a decade ahead of the rest of the world, than believe it was misheard or falsified. Ha :) I think a decade is easy and the truth is further. I’m satisfied with the explanation of SAPs, and if you’re not, you know your interpretation is not something I can’t help you with, right? :) The only people I know who do that are conspiracy theorists. Then you don’t know me, heh :) Yes… you could be living inside a Truman-like artificial environment…a carefully constructed zoo of what humans used to be like. Ha :) Is that why you find it hard to accept that SAPs imply much unknown, because you think it radically alters your reality? Could that not also be a good thing to refresh your perspective, and unblock you to speculate on larger possibilities? Hard to dispute that classified history diverges, and seems a stretch to imply that SAP existence means reality is a simulation. Richard Dolan could be a cockamamie conspiracy theorist…Prove he isn't. Does a label alter the truth or thinking? Labels can function as a Jedi mind trick to discourage more thinking tho. Are the prevalence of such labels why you find it hard to accept this, because the labels connote shame or craziness? Because I have an idea… how much work it took to program it. Knowledge based on one (public, I assume, heh :) ?) compartment. The existence of SAPs implies much unknown publicly, why insist that public knowns proscribe all unknowns? Your conspiracy theory requires a system which is about 300x more powerful… seems you would rather make up a fake history about the secret world than enjoy the amazing work that actually did happen. People can enjoy being inspired by both. :) There were leaks about the Manhattan Project … just prior to its use. Did those leaks come from Los Alamos? The project occurred at many sites. That SAPs are hidden in small towns seems hard to dispute, heh :) Don't forget …Cray. Again, 'How do you talk to God?' No one public at any rate. That people were better in their niche, seems hard to dispute. That's one of the more annoying things about conspiracy experts. They demean… even now when 1GHz laptops are passé. Being inspired by public history can prompt people to speculate, which can be seen as admiration of public breakthroughs, not undermining. And they don't care…doesn't have the ring of truth Will your “ring of truth” be the same as someone who has worked in SAPs?

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I haven't looked at it yet. Hold up, let me read and get back to your message from sometime Friday. I've got a very busy time until then. :)

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graderjs 5y ago
I'm sorry for my delay in replying you, I need to set up a customer demo this weekend. I really have no time for this until I can properly read it and reply. Probably Monday! Thanks, hope you have a good weekend. :)
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  Hello eesmith, I finally got to your comment. I'm sorry about my delay, I was so busy and I think this is important so I wanted to set aside some time where I could really think about it and respond properly. I hope you enjoy! :) > Prove it. :) You have yet to explain … you would rather believe there's a secret project a least a decade ahead of the rest of the world, than believe it was misheard or falsified. Ha :) I think a decade is easy and the truth is further. I’m satisfied with the explanation of SAPs, and if you’re not, you know your interpretation is not something I can’t help you with, right? :) The only people I know who do that are conspiracy theorists. Then you don’t know me, heh :) Yes… you could be living inside a Truman-like artificial environment…a carefully constructed zoo of what humans used to be like. Ha :) Is that why you find it hard to accept that SAPs imply much unknown, because you think it radically alters your reality? Could that not also be a good thing to refresh your perspective, and unblock you to speculate on larger possibilities? Hard to dispute that classified history diverges, and seems a stretch to imply that SAP existence means reality is a simulation. Richard Dolan could be a cockamamie conspiracy theorist…Prove he isn't. Does a label alter the truth or thinking? Labels can function as a Jedi mind trick to discourage more thinking tho. Are the prevalence of such labels why you find it hard to accept this, because the labels connote shame or craziness? Because I have an idea… how much work it took to program it. Knowledge based on one (public, I assume, heh :) ?) compartment. The existence of SAPs implies much unknown publicly, why insist that public knowns proscribe all unknowns? Your conspiracy theory requires a system which is about 300x more powerful… seems you would rather make up a fake history about the secret world than enjoy the amazing work that actually did happen. People can enjoy being inspired by both. :) There were leaks about the Manhattan Project … just prior to its use. Did those leaks come from Los Alamos? The project occurred at many sites. That SAPs are hidden in small towns seems hard to dispute, heh :) Don't forget …Cray. Again, 'How do you talk to God?' No one public at any rate. That people were better in their niche, seems hard to dispute. That's one of the more annoying things about conspiracy experts. They demean… even now when 1GHz laptops are passé. Being inspired by public history can prompt people to speculate, which can be seen as admiration of public breakthroughs, not undermining. And they don't care…doesn't have the ring of truth Will your “ring of truth” be the same as someone who has worked in SAPs?