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Yeah they are selling some of the exploits (the low hash rate enable on nvidia cards) but even then they say that with what they released it up until now it wou

Yeah they are selling some of the exploits (the low hash rate enable on nvidia cards) but even then they say that with what they released it up until now it would be possible to figure out the way to do it by yourself. So the "for the lulz" element is very much central to their breaches and honestly that's a bit... refreshing? Not that I side with them or anything, but this is definitely more fun than ransomware.

beebmam 5y ago
"for the lulz" is always about plausible deniability
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Yup; the Russian hacker groups are supposedly independent, Anonymous is supposedly independent, but there's probably some pretty big overlaps in Venn diagrams if you look closer.
  - nivenkos 5y ago
    I used to be on an IRC server that ran a honeypot to then find actual compromised servers and check them out - IIRC there were Ecuadorean government servers, and a load of routers in India, etc. Most of it was just malware analysis and people creating pubstro servers for fun with different communities. Not everything is Reds under the bed.
  - rolph 5y ago
    its like superfriends, everyone has thier own gig and support each other when crossing paths, but the hall of justice/legion of doom is the muster point when SHTF
- sodality2 5y ago
  Why? It's not like saying "for the lulz" will help them when being prosecuted.
fxtentacle 5y ago
Or maybe they just want stuff for themselves and then uploaded it for the lulz? I've heard of someone who completely reverse engineered the iTunes DRM just because he wanted to download 4K to watch the series that he had "bought" from Apple offline on his TV. It's more of a myth because that person refuses to release source code or details, but then again that is probably a sane decision. Still, I would be willing to believe that someone would do that just because they themselves feel irritated by the DRM. Add a bit of youthful rakishness and someone might then upload the result to bittorrent, just because they can and don't care, i.e. "for the lulz".
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
> Not that I side with them or anything, but this is definitely more fun than ransomware. I don't side with them. In the grand scheme of things they did open my eyes to the terrible IR processes of a much hyped company (okta), and they exposed how poor their product is/was. Security companies should be held to a higher standard when discussing breaches and IR. okta very much deserved it (and so does microsoft a 1000x). I don't endorse it but I can't hide my Schadenfreude either.

beebmam 5y ago

"for the lulz" is always about plausible deniability

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Yup; the Russian hacker groups are supposedly independent, Anonymous is supposedly independent, but there's probably some pretty big overlaps in Venn diagrams if you look closer.
- nivenkos 5y ago
  I used to be on an IRC server that ran a honeypot to then find actual compromised servers and check them out - IIRC there were Ecuadorean government servers, and a load of routers in India, etc. Most of it was just malware analysis and people creating pubstro servers for fun with different communities. Not everything is Reds under the bed.
- rolph 5y ago
  its like superfriends, everyone has thier own gig and support each other when crossing paths, but the hall of justice/legion of doom is the muster point when SHTF
sodality2 5y ago
Why? It's not like saying "for the lulz" will help them when being prosecuted.

fxtentacle 5y ago

Or maybe they just want stuff for themselves and then uploaded it for the lulz? I've heard of someone who completely reverse engineered the iTunes DRM just because he wanted to download 4K to watch the series that he had "bought" from Apple offline on his TV. It's more of a myth because that person refuses to release source code or details, but then again that is probably a sane decision. Still, I would be willing to believe that someone would do that just because they themselves feel irritated by the DRM. Add a bit of youthful rakishness and someone might then upload the result to bittorrent, just because they can and don't care, i.e. "for the lulz".

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago

> Not that I side with them or anything, but this is definitely more fun than ransomware. I don't side with them. In the grand scheme of things they did open my eyes to the terrible IR processes of a much hyped company (okta), and they exposed how poor their product is/was. Security companies should be held to a higher standard when discussing breaches and IR. okta very much deserved it (and so does microsoft a 1000x). I don't endorse it but I can't hide my Schadenfreude either.