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That grab-bag of issues suggests you have a confused notion of what constitutes "the right". For instance, how is police brutality a example of "right-wing canc

That grab-bag of issues suggests you have a confused notion of what constitutes "the right". For instance, how is police brutality a example of "right-wing cancel culture" when some of our most salient examples occurred in left-wing dominated cities? Not everything you disagree with is a political weapon used by your enemies. I will concede (though you didn't make this point explicitly) that the religious right has historically had a fair bit of social power that might be described as cancel culture, but that power has arguably been gone since before cancel culture as I described it became a thing.

dmix 5y ago
It's pretty common in the New Left ideology to view any power structure as the opposition to progress and therefore the enemy (this was a big theme particularity from 1960s-1970s that heavily influenced progressives today). So any strong authority system like police and big companies are immediately 'right-wing'. This of course misses all the nuance in the spectrum of authoritarianism<->liberty found not only in right wing people but just as much among left-wing people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left (note how they used to be the leaders in pro-free speech, which makes sense if you're opposed to authority, but that value has of course been lost on social media - to the dismay of many from the old-school left who fought hard for it)
- zozbot234 5y ago
  > It's pretty common in the New Left ideology to view any power structure as the opposition to progress and therefore the enemy That was the old New Left. The New New Left is even more authoritarian than the Right used to be.
DangitBobby 5y ago
I think religious beliefs largely underly payment processors' refusal to do business with porn websites, wouldn't you agree? If it weren't for Christian beliefs, advertisers wouldn't be worried about being associated with porn and payment processors wouldn't either. That's the first example that came to my head, but I'm sure there are many, many such examples of the right having true social power to eliminate speech and expression they don't agree with.
- lliamander 5y ago
  Perhaps initially, though today any religious influence is merely the result of organizational interia, not genuine concern for the opinions of Christians. But I don't think that's the only reason. My thought is that there would be concern over connections to actual criminal activity (human trafficking, abuse, revenge porn, etc). I'm not saying all porn is those things, but I imagine it might be harder to be sure porn isn't connected to those things. Edit: I think pram probably has it right.
- pram 5y ago
  Merchants don’t like porn because it’s high risk: tons of fraud and chargebacks
Misdicorl 5y ago
Even left wing dominated cities have large numbers of right wing constituents. There are more registered Republicans in NYC than live in the entire state of Wyoming. Right wing cancel culture are lynch mobs and the literal bombing of an American city and the imprisonment of an unconscionable number of black males. While I agree the power is waning, saying that it isn't on par with a few people losing their jobs due to misplaced outrage is hilarious.
- lliamander 5y ago
  > Even left wing dominated cities have large numbers of right wing constituents. To think this is the cause of police brutality is a stretch to put it mildly. > Right wing cancel culture are lynch mobs and the literal bombing of an American city and the imprisonment of an unconscionable number of black males. Again with the random grab of different grievances. None of these are relevant to this conversation, but explaining why would require a separate explanation for each one. Instead of trying to throw whatever you can against the wall to see what sticks, why not pick one or two things you think are the best example of what you are arguing, and I can just refute that?
  - Misdicorl 5y ago
    Sure. Explain selective enforcement of drug policy and the subsequent imprisonment of a huge fraction of Americans who happen to be black on those charges. How does that not fall under "silencing people the right do not like".
    - lliamander 5y ago
      > Concerned about the deadly effect of crack within their own communities, black members of Congress led the charge to pass the 1986 federal drug laws. The bill that was passed — which included the crack/powder sentencing disparity — did so with the support of the majority of black congresspersons. None at the time objected to the sentencing disparity as “racist.” > In 2006, the feds tried 5,619 crack sellers, and 4,495 of them were black — out of the 562,000 blacks in state and federal prisons at the end of that year. Add in county and city jails, and the figure rises to 858,000. And states’ crack cocaine laws are not the culprits. Only 13 states employ differing sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder — and their differential is much smaller than that of the feds. https://larryelder.com/column/five-myths-of-the-racist-criminal-justice-system/ https://larryelder.com/column/five-myths-of-the-racist-crimi...
rootusrootus 5y ago
> that power has arguably been gone That must be situational. In my circle of family and friends, religion is still extremely powerful. Even to the point where I demur when the topic of religion even looks like it could be discussed. I "pray" right along with everyone else at the dinner table at family gatherings. And even on a national stage -- how many politicians will admit to being non-religious? There is still a tremendous amount of social power from the right.
- lliamander 5y ago
  > That must be situational. In my circle of family and friends, religion is still extremely powerful. Even to the point where I demur when the topic of religion even looks like it could be discussed. I "pray" right along with everyone else at the dinner table at family gatherings You sound like me with my Woke extended family :) Of course the influence of one's community will always be powerful. What's novel about the present situation is how much a bunch of randos on the internet can ruin your life. > And even on a national stage -- how many politicians will admit to being non-religious? There is still a tremendous amount of social power from the right. So perhaps not totally gone, but it's influence is greatly diminished from where it was a generation ago.
Kye 5y ago
I think this is another case of defintions breaking down. There are no left-wing dominated cities in the US. There are liberal dominated cities, and liberals tend to support the same things as "conservatives" (big scare quotes), with the difference being target (sometimes). Painting Black Lives Matter on one street when no one asked for it while still supporting policies BLM is against does not make one leftist. Plenty of checkmarked liberals have called for my extermination because I'm in a "red" state because they think everyone here is a moustache-twirling villain (right up until cable news decreed it was "purple" and thus virtuous). Meanwhile, the self-identifying conservative editor of the local paper supports a lot of policies that would be seen as leftist: BLM, trans rights, marriage equality. Liberals were firmly against these things until popular sentiment started to shift.
- lliamander 5y ago
  > There are no left-wing dominated cities in the US. That they are not as left-wing as you does not mean they are not left-wing. Whatever they are, these cities are certainly not dominated by right-wing politics. > There are liberal dominated cities, and liberals tend to support the same things as "conservatives" (big scare quotes), with the difference being target (sometimes) What is a "liberal" in this context? > Painting Black Lives Matter on one street when no one asked for it while still supporting policies BLM is against does not make one leftist. One can be a hypocrite and a leftist at the same time. > Meanwhile, the self-identifying conservative editor of the local paper supports a lot of policies that would be seen as leftist: BLM, trans rights, marriage equality. Liberals were firmly against these things until popular sentiment started to shift. What makes this individual a conservative?

dmix 5y ago

It's pretty common in the New Left ideology to view any power structure as the opposition to progress and therefore the enemy (this was a big theme particularity from 1960s-1970s that heavily influenced progressives today). So any strong authority system like police and big companies are immediately 'right-wing'. This of course misses all the nuance in the spectrum of authoritarianism<->liberty found not only in right wing people but just as much among left-wing people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left (note how they used to be the leaders in pro-free speech, which makes sense if you're opposed to authority, but that value has of course been lost on social media - to the dismay of many from the old-school left who fought hard for it)

zozbot234 5y ago
> It's pretty common in the New Left ideology to view any power structure as the opposition to progress and therefore the enemy That was the old New Left. The New New Left is even more authoritarian than the Right used to be.

DangitBobby 5y ago

I think religious beliefs largely underly payment processors' refusal to do business with porn websites, wouldn't you agree? If it weren't for Christian beliefs, advertisers wouldn't be worried about being associated with porn and payment processors wouldn't either. That's the first example that came to my head, but I'm sure there are many, many such examples of the right having true social power to eliminate speech and expression they don't agree with.

lliamander 5y ago
Perhaps initially, though today any religious influence is merely the result of organizational interia, not genuine concern for the opinions of Christians. But I don't think that's the only reason. My thought is that there would be concern over connections to actual criminal activity (human trafficking, abuse, revenge porn, etc). I'm not saying all porn is those things, but I imagine it might be harder to be sure porn isn't connected to those things. Edit: I think pram probably has it right.
pram 5y ago
Merchants don’t like porn because it’s high risk: tons of fraud and chargebacks

Misdicorl 5y ago

Even left wing dominated cities have large numbers of right wing constituents. There are more registered Republicans in NYC than live in the entire state of Wyoming. Right wing cancel culture are lynch mobs and the literal bombing of an American city and the imprisonment of an unconscionable number of black males. While I agree the power is waning, saying that it isn't on par with a few people losing their jobs due to misplaced outrage is hilarious.

lliamander 5y ago
> Even left wing dominated cities have large numbers of right wing constituents. To think this is the cause of police brutality is a stretch to put it mildly. > Right wing cancel culture are lynch mobs and the literal bombing of an American city and the imprisonment of an unconscionable number of black males. Again with the random grab of different grievances. None of these are relevant to this conversation, but explaining why would require a separate explanation for each one. Instead of trying to throw whatever you can against the wall to see what sticks, why not pick one or two things you think are the best example of what you are arguing, and I can just refute that?
- Misdicorl 5y ago
  Sure. Explain selective enforcement of drug policy and the subsequent imprisonment of a huge fraction of Americans who happen to be black on those charges. How does that not fall under "silencing people the right do not like".
  - lliamander 5y ago
    > Concerned about the deadly effect of crack within their own communities, black members of Congress led the charge to pass the 1986 federal drug laws. The bill that was passed — which included the crack/powder sentencing disparity — did so with the support of the majority of black congresspersons. None at the time objected to the sentencing disparity as “racist.” > In 2006, the feds tried 5,619 crack sellers, and 4,495 of them were black — out of the 562,000 blacks in state and federal prisons at the end of that year. Add in county and city jails, and the figure rises to 858,000. And states’ crack cocaine laws are not the culprits. Only 13 states employ differing sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder — and their differential is much smaller than that of the feds. https://larryelder.com/column/five-myths-of-the-racist-criminal-justice-system/ https://larryelder.com/column/five-myths-of-the-racist-crimi...

rootusrootus 5y ago

> that power has arguably been gone That must be situational. In my circle of family and friends, religion is still extremely powerful. Even to the point where I demur when the topic of religion even looks like it could be discussed. I "pray" right along with everyone else at the dinner table at family gatherings. And even on a national stage -- how many politicians will admit to being non-religious? There is still a tremendous amount of social power from the right.

lliamander 5y ago
> That must be situational. In my circle of family and friends, religion is still extremely powerful. Even to the point where I demur when the topic of religion even looks like it could be discussed. I "pray" right along with everyone else at the dinner table at family gatherings You sound like me with my Woke extended family :) Of course the influence of one's community will always be powerful. What's novel about the present situation is how much a bunch of randos on the internet can ruin your life. > And even on a national stage -- how many politicians will admit to being non-religious? There is still a tremendous amount of social power from the right. So perhaps not totally gone, but it's influence is greatly diminished from where it was a generation ago.

Kye 5y ago

I think this is another case of defintions breaking down. There are no left-wing dominated cities in the US. There are liberal dominated cities, and liberals tend to support the same things as "conservatives" (big scare quotes), with the difference being target (sometimes). Painting Black Lives Matter on one street when no one asked for it while still supporting policies BLM is against does not make one leftist. Plenty of checkmarked liberals have called for my extermination because I'm in a "red" state because they think everyone here is a moustache-twirling villain (right up until cable news decreed it was "purple" and thus virtuous). Meanwhile, the self-identifying conservative editor of the local paper supports a lot of policies that would be seen as leftist: BLM, trans rights, marriage equality. Liberals were firmly against these things until popular sentiment started to shift.

lliamander 5y ago
> There are no left-wing dominated cities in the US. That they are not as left-wing as you does not mean they are not left-wing. Whatever they are, these cities are certainly not dominated by right-wing politics. > There are liberal dominated cities, and liberals tend to support the same things as "conservatives" (big scare quotes), with the difference being target (sometimes) What is a "liberal" in this context? > Painting Black Lives Matter on one street when no one asked for it while still supporting policies BLM is against does not make one leftist. One can be a hypocrite and a leftist at the same time. > Meanwhile, the self-identifying conservative editor of the local paper supports a lot of policies that would be seen as leftist: BLM, trans rights, marriage equality. Liberals were firmly against these things until popular sentiment started to shift. What makes this individual a conservative?