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Thanks for posting this as the new yorker article kinda just scratche on it, which is a real shame considering these people have left death in their wake. Absol

Thanks for posting this as the new yorker article kinda just scratche on it, which is a real shame considering these people have left death in their wake. Absolutely garbage journalism to somehow omit that there's murder arrest warrants out for them. There are so many psychologically manipulative, abusive people working in these spaces. Literally these people are just profiteering crackheads who got into making money on giving waaaaaay too powerful psychedelics to innocent people who don't know any better. They need to be popped out like bad pimples. 5-meo-dmt is extremely powerful stuff and unlike DMT it can cause you to end up in the hospital or dead. It's not something to be trifled with. It made a friend of mine's mom really lose her sense of what is even real anymore. I usually see these sorts of negative results in people who are long-term abusing hard drugs like stimulants or opiates over time, not like immediately after a few sessions of a psychedelic.

pmoriarty 5y ago
"5-meo-dmt is extremely powerful stuff and unlike DMT it can cause you to end up in the hospital or dead" I've yet to see any definitive evidence showing that 5-MeO alone caused anyone to die. The handful of deaths I'm aware of have been from 5-MeO mixed with other substances like alcohol, and due to asphyxiation on vomit -- which can happen from alcohol alone. If you drink too much alcohol you could choke on your own vomit and die. Yet people aren't generally freaked out when people drink alcohol. They should in fact be more concerned about alcohol, as it kills thousands of people every year, and is well documented to be involved in many deaths both alone and when mixed with other substances. The lesson from this all this is don't mix 5-MeO with other substances. Also stay far away from practitioners who pour water down your throat while you're pretty much helpless and out of your body. That's incredibly dangerous -- but not because of the 5-MeO alone, but because some demented person is trying to drown you. Also, there hasn't been enough human use of 5-MeO to know its long-term health effects, so that is an additional risk, as are its potential negative effects on mental health. Everyone considering it should thoroughly educate themselves -- both on its risks and benefits, so they can make an informed decision.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Have you seen someone use 5-meo before? The hamilton morris' pharmacopeia episode about 5-meo-dmt usage showed someone using it - and the state they were in made it seem extremely plausible someone could vomit and asphyxiate from that drug alone, especially if someone is using it without a trip sitter. Great episode, but that scene is pretty disturbing.
  - sandwall 5y ago
    Concur, 5meo typtamines are extremely potent and quite dangerous. Witnessed overdoses and while they weren't lethal, they certainly had the risk. Just because the compound doesn't kill, doesn't mean you can't die from a secondary or tertiary effect.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    To maximize safety: 1 - don't eat or drink for at least 4 or 5 hours beforehand, so there's nothing in your stomach to vomit 2 - lie in the recovery position ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position ) with one's mouth facing downwards to minimize the chance of aspirating any liquid 3 - don't move around 4 - be with a trained, trusted, and experienced practitioner, who you've vetted thoroughly and who you are sure can keep you safe 5 - again, don't mix substances!
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  Yeah that's my point though, I never said how it could kill you so you're right to bring this up - To clarify I think you should probably avoid compulsive use of drugs that are so highly interactive with anything else that may be going through your system at any given time that you may die in combo. A lot of people are combining MAOIs for example with DMT and that's fine until they end up with some plant or extract with enough of the 5-MeO that they end up in the hospital with an extremely traumatizing (if you live) hypertensive crisis, for example. Hmm yeah probably not a great idea to give that out to just anyone like these absolute payasos. I'm pretty convinced that it's got tremendous therapeutic potential like many other strong things around these lines. But group dosing like ~100 people in the way these people are doing it is just wrong on so many levels. The only way I see them going if they continue without being apprehended first is if they turn it into something like a cult, which would obviously be even worse.

pmoriarty 5y ago

"5-meo-dmt is extremely powerful stuff and unlike DMT it can cause you to end up in the hospital or dead" I've yet to see any definitive evidence showing that 5-MeO alone caused anyone to die. The handful of deaths I'm aware of have been from 5-MeO mixed with other substances like alcohol, and due to asphyxiation on vomit -- which can happen from alcohol alone. If you drink too much alcohol you could choke on your own vomit and die. Yet people aren't generally freaked out when people drink alcohol. They should in fact be more concerned about alcohol, as it kills thousands of people every year, and is well documented to be involved in many deaths both alone and when mixed with other substances. The lesson from this all this is don't mix 5-MeO with other substances. Also stay far away from practitioners who pour water down your throat while you're pretty much helpless and out of your body. That's incredibly dangerous -- but not because of the 5-MeO alone, but because some demented person is trying to drown you. Also, there hasn't been enough human use of 5-MeO to know its long-term health effects, so that is an additional risk, as are its potential negative effects on mental health. Everyone considering it should thoroughly educate themselves -- both on its risks and benefits, so they can make an informed decision.

cwkoss 5y ago
Have you seen someone use 5-meo before? The hamilton morris' pharmacopeia episode about 5-meo-dmt usage showed someone using it - and the state they were in made it seem extremely plausible someone could vomit and asphyxiate from that drug alone, especially if someone is using it without a trip sitter. Great episode, but that scene is pretty disturbing.
- sandwall 5y ago
  Concur, 5meo typtamines are extremely potent and quite dangerous. Witnessed overdoses and while they weren't lethal, they certainly had the risk. Just because the compound doesn't kill, doesn't mean you can't die from a secondary or tertiary effect.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  To maximize safety: 1 - don't eat or drink for at least 4 or 5 hours beforehand, so there's nothing in your stomach to vomit 2 - lie in the recovery position ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position ) with one's mouth facing downwards to minimize the chance of aspirating any liquid 3 - don't move around 4 - be with a trained, trusted, and experienced practitioner, who you've vetted thoroughly and who you are sure can keep you safe 5 - again, don't mix substances!
jamal-kumar 5y ago
Yeah that's my point though, I never said how it could kill you so you're right to bring this up - To clarify I think you should probably avoid compulsive use of drugs that are so highly interactive with anything else that may be going through your system at any given time that you may die in combo. A lot of people are combining MAOIs for example with DMT and that's fine until they end up with some plant or extract with enough of the 5-MeO that they end up in the hospital with an extremely traumatizing (if you live) hypertensive crisis, for example. Hmm yeah probably not a great idea to give that out to just anyone like these absolute payasos. I'm pretty convinced that it's got tremendous therapeutic potential like many other strong things around these lines. But group dosing like ~100 people in the way these people are doing it is just wrong on so many levels. The only way I see them going if they continue without being apprehended first is if they turn it into something like a cult, which would obviously be even worse.