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I think you overestimate the popularity of refresh rates over 60hz.

by ssully 5y ago

p1necone 5y ago
Depends on which market you're talking about. Everyone: Yeah, not particularly common, nor do they really add much. PC gamers specifically (and series/ps5 now too, with those consoles supporting 120hz with compatible tvs and games): Quite popular, and they do significantly add to the gaming experience.
akvadrako 5y ago
Yeah, I also want 90hz, but when I need to use HDMI on my fairly recent X1 I must choose between 4k@30hz or 60hz and I would always choose 4k. The banwidth for 4k at 60hz is only now becoming mainstream.
- howinteresting 5y ago
  The bandwidth for 4k at 60Hz (HDMI 2.0) has been around for a while. The bandwidth for 4k at 120Hz (HDMI 2.1/Displayport 1.4) is only now becoming mainstream.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    It hasn't been mainstream. I have the X1C7, a flagship in 2019 and it only supports HDMI 1.4. That means when I bought my current laptop, still under the 3-year warranty, I would have had to get something worse to get HDMI 2.0 support, since I compared everything available.
    - rsynnott 5y ago
      From th'internet, that laptop appears to have a thunderbolt port; you should presumably be able to use a DP1.2 adaptor and get 4k at 60hz. Or _maybe_ a Thunderbolt monitor like the above 60hz 5k one, though definitely check before buying.
      - akvadrako 5y ago
        That's why I said over HDMI. Sometimes it's all that available, either because it's a TV or due to a missing cable. I find those USB-C to DP cables pretty flaky.
- baq 5y ago
  you might be the only person that finds 30Hz display usable. IME even non-techies find 30Hz uncomfortable to use.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    Most movies are still 24hz. People don't mind it – they can interpolate the frames in between better than any tech by far.
    - p1necone 5y ago
      Yes but movies are not interactive, and have real motion blur and perfect frame pacing.
    - graftak 5y ago
      Another advantage of a 120Hz display is that it maps perfectly to 24fps, whereas a 60Hz display may introduce motion judder.
  - can16358p 5y ago
    It does have some use cases like displaying mostly static content (images or documentation) or even casual videos. Definitely not my thing too, I'm all in for 120Hz, but it does have some niche uses at 30Hz.
- ssully 5y ago
  I personally think the sweet spot is 1440p at 60hz. I find with my build, I can maintain that resolution and framerate with graphic settings pretty much maxed out. My friend with a similar build has same resolution, but targets 120hz. Usually gets there, but has a number of games where he is trading graphical fidelity for performance.
Drew_ 5y ago
Xbox Series X and PS5 support high refresh gaming with lots of support in current titles. iPhones ship with high refresh displays as do iPad Pro's. High refresh rate displays are here in force in the mainstream.

I think you overestimate the popularity of refresh rates over 60hz.

by ssully 5y ago

I think you overestimate the popularity of refresh rates over 60hz.

Depends on which market you're talking about. Everyone: Yeah, not particularly common, nor do they really add much. PC gamers specifically (and series/ps5 now too, with those consoles supporting 120hz with compatible tvs and games): Quite popular, and they do significantly add to the gaming experience.

akvadrako 5y ago

Yeah, I also want 90hz, but when I need to use HDMI on my fairly recent X1 I must choose between 4k@30hz or 60hz and I would always choose 4k. The banwidth for 4k at 60hz is only now becoming mainstream.

howinteresting 5y ago
The bandwidth for 4k at 60Hz (HDMI 2.0) has been around for a while. The bandwidth for 4k at 120Hz (HDMI 2.1/Displayport 1.4) is only now becoming mainstream.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  It hasn't been mainstream. I have the X1C7, a flagship in 2019 and it only supports HDMI 1.4. That means when I bought my current laptop, still under the 3-year warranty, I would have had to get something worse to get HDMI 2.0 support, since I compared everything available.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    From th'internet, that laptop appears to have a thunderbolt port; you should presumably be able to use a DP1.2 adaptor and get 4k at 60hz. Or _maybe_ a Thunderbolt monitor like the above 60hz 5k one, though definitely check before buying.
    - akvadrako 5y ago
      That's why I said over HDMI. Sometimes it's all that available, either because it's a TV or due to a missing cable. I find those USB-C to DP cables pretty flaky.
baq 5y ago
you might be the only person that finds 30Hz display usable. IME even non-techies find 30Hz uncomfortable to use.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  Most movies are still 24hz. People don't mind it – they can interpolate the frames in between better than any tech by far.
  - p1necone 5y ago
    Yes but movies are not interactive, and have real motion blur and perfect frame pacing.
  - graftak 5y ago
    Another advantage of a 120Hz display is that it maps perfectly to 24fps, whereas a 60Hz display may introduce motion judder.
- can16358p 5y ago
  It does have some use cases like displaying mostly static content (images or documentation) or even casual videos. Definitely not my thing too, I'm all in for 120Hz, but it does have some niche uses at 30Hz.
ssully 5y ago
I personally think the sweet spot is 1440p at 60hz. I find with my build, I can maintain that resolution and framerate with graphic settings pretty much maxed out. My friend with a similar build has same resolution, but targets 120hz. Usually gets there, but has a number of games where he is trading graphical fidelity for performance.

Drew_ 5y ago

Xbox Series X and PS5 support high refresh gaming with lots of support in current titles. iPhones ship with high refresh displays as do iPad Pro's. High refresh rate displays are here in force in the mainstream.