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Where fire’s concerned, I do think all mistakes (failure to take reasonable precautions, and it sounds like this is the case) really are either negligent or imm
by wk_end 5y ago
Where fire’s concerned, I do think all mistakes (failure to take reasonable precautions, and it sounds like this is the case) really are either negligent or immoral. The costs you save for yourself and your customers don’t factor in the externalities that will impact third parties in the event of a fire - namely, risk of damage to surrounding property, and risk of injury or death for the people who have to put that fire out.
- wongarsu 5y agoIn this case at least the neighboring buildings are both from OVH as well and the only thing realistically at risk from spreading fire is a rail yard. Of course that doesn't excuse the design at all. Putting employees and firefighters at risk isn't ok, and I'm kind of baffled that they were allowed to operate like that. https://www.google.de/maps/@48.5848973,7.7971161,3a,75y,26.04h,83.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sybi8btFl3vvP8CokZsoE_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.de/maps/@48.5848973,7.7971161,3a,75y,26.0...
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
- throwaway2048 5y agonot every single conversation about doing better is a slippery slope until we are all slaves of the fire marshal.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't cross into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that and you can make your substantive points without swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoI don't think any self aware extremist is going to feel attacked by the phrase "extremist minority". They know where their beliefs stand relative to the population at large.
- dang 5y agoAny comment that begins "Thank god attitudes like yours" is very likely breaking the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them and taking the intended spirit of this place more to heart? We don't want a culture in which people are just bashing each other. It's bad for conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoThose sorts of presumptive openers go unchecked all the time and we both know it. I'm not going to say anything about the patterns about when they do and don't go unchecked because I don't have the data but at some point poor enforcement becomes selective enforcement.
- dang 5y agoIf by 'unchecked' you mean unmoderated, that's likely for the simple reason that we don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. You can help with that by flagging such comments or by emailing hn@ycombinator.com in egregious cases. People breaking the rules doesn't make it ok for you or anyone else to break them, though. I replied to your comment because I happened to see it—it's not as if I recognized your username or have any idea what your views are!
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoI mean both unmoderated and uncriticized by the community. I know you can't mod everything but it's an not exactly secret that nobody snidely cites the guidelines when they're being lightly violated by people arguing for whatever the majority view is and people are happy to snidely cite them when people arguing for whatever the minority opinion is even get close to getting out of line. To then show up and do that as moderator is not great. Basically the ref can stand to go a little less hard on whoever is losing.