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You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitig

You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitigating factors, since vaccination prevents hospitalization in a large majority of cases.

EricE 5y ago
What's even more selfish is not treating COVID but just telling people to wait until it is bad enough to go into the hospital before doing anything, when we absolutely knew very early on that anyone going on a ventilator was essentially a 50/50 death sentence. Keeping everyone off of ventilators at all costs should have been the number one goal instead of futilely trying to stop the spread of a highly contagious arial virus that is in the same family as the common cold. I know few people who would think you were rational if you prescribed any of the COVID "solutions" to try to prevent cold viruses - yet somehow we were going to be effective with COVID? What's beyond evil is demonizing any treatment other than vaccination - but that's still going on even today, as evidenced by posts like yours. I got COVID and was (and still am) unvaccinated, yet I did not get anywhere near a hospital; and that is what happened to just about anyone who wasn't in one of the well known and well understood risk groups. Treating everyone the same instead of focusing on those most at risk was and still is particularly dumb, but here we are with people like you still making completely baseless claims that are certainly not backed by any actual medical science. Before baselessly judging everyone else as selfish you might want to spend more time looking in a mirror.
- usefulcat 5y ago
  What I'm saying is that maybe some people who have been hospitalized due to covid wouldn't be in the hospital if they had gotten vaccinated. Hospital beds are not an unlimited resource, and there are plenty of other conditions apart from covid that may also require hospitalization. I genuinely fail to see what is unreasonable, selfish or factually wrong about any of the above statements.
cf141q5325 5y ago
Does that cover risky behavior that could lead to hospitalization as well? Lets be honest, we did collect quite a bit of data over the pandemic years and your risk of hospitalization from COVID is not some random chance but determined by your state of health. Differently put, i am having a hard time calling healthy teenagers selfish if nobody thinks about calling anyone with a still obese BMI after 2 years the same. Because to be perfectly blunt, looking at the numbers the later is a lot bigger of a problem then the former. edit: In case anyone is skeptical about the giant impact obesity has, here the CDC numbers from last year https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf Figure 1 has leading underlying medical conditions. Hypertension, Lipid metabolism (cholesterol), obesity itself, diabetes and coronary atherosclerosis being the first 5. Table 1 has the numbers of hospitalized. ~95% had two or more on the list.
KerrAvon 5y ago
Counterpoint: dude does not have a valid point.

EricE 5y ago

What's even more selfish is not treating COVID but just telling people to wait until it is bad enough to go into the hospital before doing anything, when we absolutely knew very early on that anyone going on a ventilator was essentially a 50/50 death sentence. Keeping everyone off of ventilators at all costs should have been the number one goal instead of futilely trying to stop the spread of a highly contagious arial virus that is in the same family as the common cold. I know few people who would think you were rational if you prescribed any of the COVID "solutions" to try to prevent cold viruses - yet somehow we were going to be effective with COVID? What's beyond evil is demonizing any treatment other than vaccination - but that's still going on even today, as evidenced by posts like yours. I got COVID and was (and still am) unvaccinated, yet I did not get anywhere near a hospital; and that is what happened to just about anyone who wasn't in one of the well known and well understood risk groups. Treating everyone the same instead of focusing on those most at risk was and still is particularly dumb, but here we are with people like you still making completely baseless claims that are certainly not backed by any actual medical science. Before baselessly judging everyone else as selfish you might want to spend more time looking in a mirror.

usefulcat 5y ago
What I'm saying is that maybe some people who have been hospitalized due to covid wouldn't be in the hospital if they had gotten vaccinated. Hospital beds are not an unlimited resource, and there are plenty of other conditions apart from covid that may also require hospitalization. I genuinely fail to see what is unreasonable, selfish or factually wrong about any of the above statements.

cf141q5325 5y ago

Does that cover risky behavior that could lead to hospitalization as well? Lets be honest, we did collect quite a bit of data over the pandemic years and your risk of hospitalization from COVID is not some random chance but determined by your state of health. Differently put, i am having a hard time calling healthy teenagers selfish if nobody thinks about calling anyone with a still obese BMI after 2 years the same. Because to be perfectly blunt, looking at the numbers the later is a lot bigger of a problem then the former. edit: In case anyone is skeptical about the giant impact obesity has, here the CDC numbers from last year https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf Figure 1 has leading underlying medical conditions. Hypertension, Lipid metabolism (cholesterol), obesity itself, diabetes and coronary atherosclerosis being the first 5. Table 1 has the numbers of hospitalized. ~95% had two or more on the list.

KerrAvon 5y ago

Counterpoint: dude does not have a valid point.