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You're just redoing the same math I did. >Hub on one side, no hub on the other, average $2.00 extra there, $0 extra back. This is difficult to believe that it

You're just redoing the same math I did. >Hub on one side, no hub on the other, average $2.00 extra there, $0 extra back. This is difficult to believe that it isn't a bad faith argument to pad a comparison, because hubs are littered across downtown and the mission. [1] It's highly improbable that there aren't any hubs near either. >- Monthly fee assuming 40 rides per month is $0.33. Which is bad math. Riders use bay wheels more, because you can take a bike to a concert or restaurant or park and not worry about parking it and/or bringing it home later. See the part above about not having to worry about parking an expensive asset. You compare the variable costs of breaking even when determining which of two methods is cheaper, not try to pad it by dividing up fixed costs. >I own an e-bike now that I ride longer distances - that a Bay Wheels bike won't make anyways but I don't consider that a fair comparison Then you shouldn't be making declarative statements about a $1200 always being cheaper than something like Bay Wheels, because it is cheaper for the vast majority of people living downtown SF. [1] https://account.baywheels.com/map https://account.baywheels.com/map

arcticbull 5y ago
> This is difficult to believe that it isn't a bad faith argument to pad a comparison. Ok but, I used my actual commute when figuring this in. It was 3 blocks away from my office and a block from my house. I wasn't really looking to walk 4 blocks each way out of a 12 block commute - at that point I could just walk, no? There's also no hubs in Potrero, Russian Hill, Nob Hill, Telegraph Hill, Chinatown, Japan Town, Polk Gulch (all places I'd call 'downtown') and none west of the mission. Coverage is good, don't get me wrong but it's not perfect for everyone. > Which is bad math. Riders use bay wheels more, because you can take a bike to a concert or restaurant or park and not worry about parking it and/or bringing it home later. Ok, but we're talking $0.33 down to what $0.16 per ride? Doesn't really matter because that's covered by the first minute of any additional ride. That'll increase your daily costs a lot - and make it much easier to justify owning your own. Re: fixed costs, at $2000 per year for Bay Wheels, you can actually afford to get your $1000 e-bike stolen twice per year and still break even - and have your VanMoof with built-in theft protect, GPS and recovery team stolen every year and still break even. > Then you shouldn't be making declarative statements about a $1200 always being cheaper than something like Bay Wheels, because it is cheaper for the vast majority of people living downtown SF. Except I didn't say that. It's definitely not always better. I'm a big advocate of bike share services, and I've used them for years. Sometimes it is cheaper, some times it isn't. I'm not the gp.

arcticbull 5y ago

> This is difficult to believe that it isn't a bad faith argument to pad a comparison. Ok but, I used my actual commute when figuring this in. It was 3 blocks away from my office and a block from my house. I wasn't really looking to walk 4 blocks each way out of a 12 block commute - at that point I could just walk, no? There's also no hubs in Potrero, Russian Hill, Nob Hill, Telegraph Hill, Chinatown, Japan Town, Polk Gulch (all places I'd call 'downtown') and none west of the mission. Coverage is good, don't get me wrong but it's not perfect for everyone. > Which is bad math. Riders use bay wheels more, because you can take a bike to a concert or restaurant or park and not worry about parking it and/or bringing it home later. Ok, but we're talking $0.33 down to what $0.16 per ride? Doesn't really matter because that's covered by the first minute of any additional ride. That'll increase your daily costs a lot - and make it much easier to justify owning your own. Re: fixed costs, at $2000 per year for Bay Wheels, you can actually afford to get your $1000 e-bike stolen twice per year and still break even - and have your VanMoof with built-in theft protect, GPS and recovery team stolen every year and still break even. > Then you shouldn't be making declarative statements about a $1200 always being cheaper than something like Bay Wheels, because it is cheaper for the vast majority of people living downtown SF. Except I didn't say that. It's definitely not always better. I'm a big advocate of bike share services, and I've used them for years. Sometimes it is cheaper, some times it isn't. I'm not the gp.