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Articles like this that are mostly based on a collection of one off examples always make me cautious. What do you think of the examples given? Are they extreme

Articles like this that are mostly based on a collection of one off examples always make me cautious. What do you think of the examples given? Are they extreme outliers, or common place in law schools?

ss108 5y ago
Speaking just to the elite law school angle, her concerns are not illegitimate or unfounded, but they are blown out of proportion. Doing my best on phone; this isn't as thorough or nuanced as I'd like. I myself was extremely irked that many of my progressive law school classmates were basically like Trump supporters in that they cared more about their desired policy goals and outcomes than the underpinnings of the law, and didn't have much of a value system beyond their ideologies. They would love to pack the courts with ideologues like conservatives have been fairly successful at doing. But that was a minority of people. What's more, our professors were definitely not of the same mind. The prof I had for con law, for example, is a prominent, highly regarded young liberal intellectual who posed hypotheticals to challenge the class's liberal assumptions, chiding us with "you guys are good liberals right?" He also regularly attends FedSoc panels (the FedSoc chapter at Columbia is doing just fine btw). She also simply fails to understand how unmoving and slow-to-change the law is. She presents it as much more fungible and modifiable than it is. Her pointing to Breyer re: preemptory challenges is dumb, and almost a counter-argument, given that Breyer is not a particularly ideological justice. Weiss is an uncredentialed pseudo-intellectual who has latched onto a real problem, but who does not have the knowledge or experience to write competently on the subject.
- adamsmith143 5y ago
  >Weiss is an uncredentialed Why is this relevant? It's also wrong considering she has graduated with a degree from Columbia...
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    It seems impossible to find her actual degree anywhere. Its like it has been scrubbed from the internet. Do you know what she actually majored in? The best I could find was a BA in History but I am unsure as it came from a third party source.
    - adamsmith143 5y ago
      Given that she worked for the WSJ and NYT and they most likely thoroughly vet their hires, I doubt she lied about having a degree from Columbia. If that is what you are implying.
      - nebula8804 5y ago
        I'm not saying that. You originally replied to this comment: "Weiss is an uncredentialed pseudo-intellectual who has latched onto a real problem, but who does not have the knowledge or experience to write competently on the subject." I was simply trying to find out what she actually majored in to gauge whether there is any truth to this statement. Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious.
        adamsmith143 5y ago
        >Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious. So you indeed are implying that she lied about her degree
        nebula8804 5y ago
        No but whatever I say won't convince you. You clearly have an agenda that you are trying to push.
        adamsmith143 5y ago
        >Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious. So what exactly are you suspicious of?
  - graywh 5y ago
    She's also not even the author.
  - ss108 5y ago
    Not law school.
  - ss108 5y ago
    Neither she nor the actual author are lawyers. They don't know that world. They don't know the law. They aren't experienced in its operation. They've cherrypicked quotes and sutuations to depict a situation different from what's happening in the profession of law itself.
- tannedNerd 5y ago
  Weiss isn’t the author… she also has a degree from Columbia which makes her more credible than someone who posts based of a URL.
  - KerrAvon 5y ago
    An Ivy League degree doesn’t make you credible. Weiss is a well-known crank and her opinions should generally be assumed to be trolling.
  - ss108 5y ago
    She didn't go to law school, she's not part of that world. Think about how many articles get tech stuff wrong. Articles about law tend to be even worse because of the political/emotive aspects, which writers (such as here) try to inflame.
    - nebula8804 5y ago
      Do we actually know what degree she has? Wikipedia only says that she has a "BA". That could be so many different disciplines...
      - ss108 5y ago
        I think someone on here said history. I'm not sure.
        nebula8804 5y ago
        Thats was me. It is unconfirmed based on a third party website. Its so weird that despite her being a very well known public figure, that this info is not out there.
  - ss108 5y ago
    You are correct though she isn't the author, but everyone in this thread assumes she is haha (The actual author also seems unqualified to argue the issue)
  - 5y ago

ss108 5y ago

Speaking just to the elite law school angle, her concerns are not illegitimate or unfounded, but they are blown out of proportion. Doing my best on phone; this isn't as thorough or nuanced as I'd like. I myself was extremely irked that many of my progressive law school classmates were basically like Trump supporters in that they cared more about their desired policy goals and outcomes than the underpinnings of the law, and didn't have much of a value system beyond their ideologies. They would love to pack the courts with ideologues like conservatives have been fairly successful at doing. But that was a minority of people. What's more, our professors were definitely not of the same mind. The prof I had for con law, for example, is a prominent, highly regarded young liberal intellectual who posed hypotheticals to challenge the class's liberal assumptions, chiding us with "you guys are good liberals right?" He also regularly attends FedSoc panels (the FedSoc chapter at Columbia is doing just fine btw). She also simply fails to understand how unmoving and slow-to-change the law is. She presents it as much more fungible and modifiable than it is. Her pointing to Breyer re: preemptory challenges is dumb, and almost a counter-argument, given that Breyer is not a particularly ideological justice. Weiss is an uncredentialed pseudo-intellectual who has latched onto a real problem, but who does not have the knowledge or experience to write competently on the subject.

adamsmith143 5y ago
>Weiss is an uncredentialed Why is this relevant? It's also wrong considering she has graduated with a degree from Columbia...
- nebula8804 5y ago
  It seems impossible to find her actual degree anywhere. Its like it has been scrubbed from the internet. Do you know what she actually majored in? The best I could find was a BA in History but I am unsure as it came from a third party source.
  - adamsmith143 5y ago
    Given that she worked for the WSJ and NYT and they most likely thoroughly vet their hires, I doubt she lied about having a degree from Columbia. If that is what you are implying.
    - nebula8804 5y ago
      I'm not saying that. You originally replied to this comment: "Weiss is an uncredentialed pseudo-intellectual who has latched onto a real problem, but who does not have the knowledge or experience to write competently on the subject." I was simply trying to find out what she actually majored in to gauge whether there is any truth to this statement. Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious.
      - adamsmith143 5y ago
        >Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious. So you indeed are implying that she lied about her degree
        nebula8804 5y ago
        No but whatever I say won't convince you. You clearly have an agenda that you are trying to push.
        adamsmith143 5y ago
        >Furthermore, the difficulty in finding the exact degree program seems very suspicious. So what exactly are you suspicious of?
- graywh 5y ago
  She's also not even the author.
- ss108 5y ago
  Not law school.
- ss108 5y ago
  Neither she nor the actual author are lawyers. They don't know that world. They don't know the law. They aren't experienced in its operation. They've cherrypicked quotes and sutuations to depict a situation different from what's happening in the profession of law itself.
tannedNerd 5y ago
Weiss isn’t the author… she also has a degree from Columbia which makes her more credible than someone who posts based of a URL.
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  An Ivy League degree doesn’t make you credible. Weiss is a well-known crank and her opinions should generally be assumed to be trolling.
- ss108 5y ago
  She didn't go to law school, she's not part of that world. Think about how many articles get tech stuff wrong. Articles about law tend to be even worse because of the political/emotive aspects, which writers (such as here) try to inflame.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    Do we actually know what degree she has? Wikipedia only says that she has a "BA". That could be so many different disciplines...
    - ss108 5y ago
      I think someone on here said history. I'm not sure.
      - nebula8804 5y ago
        Thats was me. It is unconfirmed based on a third party website. Its so weird that despite her being a very well known public figure, that this info is not out there.
- ss108 5y ago
  You are correct though she isn't the author, but everyone in this thread assumes she is haha (The actual author also seems unqualified to argue the issue)
- 5y ago