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Again - the difference is that Russians are doing this instead of fighting the Ukrainian army, as opposed to a collateral damage. What US has done was a crime,

by trasz 5y ago

Again - the difference is that Russians are doing this instead of fighting the Ukrainian army, as opposed to a collateral damage. What US has done was a crime, but Russian actions are even worse. And most of all: what has happened, it happened. What matters is what’s happening right now, because we can still change it.

mardifoufs 5y ago
The ukrainian army is in the cities too though, it's collateral damage. If their objective was just to terrorize or genocide the ukrainians they would not restrict themselves to bombing cities that are currently part of the front. I agree to some extent on the last part, right now is more important but it does not mean we have to whitewash the past. I didn't bring up the US, but even the current events do not justify historical revisionism. You can denounce what's happening now without saying it's worse than what our side did before.
- trasz 5y ago
  Russians _are_ bombing cities that are not part of the front. That's the point: they are fighting civilians instead of army, not in addition to.
  - manholio 5y ago
    That's a nonsense claim. If Russians would see human and civil destruction as a military goal, we wouldn't have thousands of victims, but hundreds of thousands. We would have bombing campaigns like the second world war, a single bomb dropped on a communist apartment block would kill hundreds. There is intense research and analysis by credible western sources that the Russian impasse is caused by exactly the fact they ran out of smart and precision weaponry, while the Ukrainian have took positions in the cities. This forces the Russians to an all out, total war of annihilation that is bad for them from a propaganda standpoint, both externally, pushing their allies away, and internally, since most Russians consider the Ukrainians as a brethren people.

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Again - the difference is that Russians are doing this instead of fighting the Ukrainian army, as opposed to a collateral damage. What US has done was a crime,

by trasz 5y ago

mardifoufs 5y ago
The ukrainian army is in the cities too though, it's collateral damage. If their objective was just to terrorize or genocide the ukrainians they would not restrict themselves to bombing cities that are currently part of the front. I agree to some extent on the last part, right now is more important but it does not mean we have to whitewash the past. I didn't bring up the US, but even the current events do not justify historical revisionism. You can denounce what's happening now without saying it's worse than what our side did before.
- trasz 5y ago
  Russians _are_ bombing cities that are not part of the front. That's the point: they are fighting civilians instead of army, not in addition to.
  - manholio 5y ago
    That's a nonsense claim. If Russians would see human and civil destruction as a military goal, we wouldn't have thousands of victims, but hundreds of thousands. We would have bombing campaigns like the second world war, a single bomb dropped on a communist apartment block would kill hundreds. There is intense research and analysis by credible western sources that the Russian impasse is caused by exactly the fact they ran out of smart and precision weaponry, while the Ukrainian have took positions in the cities. This forces the Russians to an all out, total war of annihilation that is bad for them from a propaganda standpoint, both externally, pushing their allies away, and internally, since most Russians consider the Ukrainians as a brethren people.