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The Normalization of Ponzinomics

46 points by 4monthsaway 5y ago

jakupovic 5y ago
Bunch of conjectures with no evidence but simply repeating "crypto bad because I said so." Piece of advice, you should have some sources and also qualify your opinions with: "In my opinion," as then your post makes sense. Nothing of note in the whole post save the point about waiting game playing out between coiners vs no-coin-bros
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- cyanydeez 5y ago
  I mean, scams seem to be the only success stories I hear
sparkie 5y ago
> "The problem with Bitcoin is it shoves basic economics and monetary history in the toilet and replaces these with a radical monetary ideology, a blockchain-based embodiment of The Sovereign Individual." Quite the opposite. Bitcoin recognizes the history of the debasement of monies very well, unlike the Keynesian view. I find it ironic when people use the term 'basic economics', but have clearly never read "Basic Economics" (https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics). > "As the financial system has slowly shifted to cater to the post-WW2 status quo, money supply has become the least important factor. It's why barely any economist or monetary official brings it up, and why they don't take Bitcoin seriously." And it's why you're enjoying 7.8% inflation and why prices will double in just 9 years, if inflation stays at this rate and doesn't increase any further. (Hint: It will) They don't bring it up because they're paid to push inflationism, which benefits the early receivers of new money at the expense of savers, fixed-wage earners and property owners. > "The idea of digital scarcity is ludicrous, because you can create an unlimited quantity of digital items and now, thanks to crypto, an unlimited amount of links to those items. According to the basic laws of economics, an infinite supply will always lead to insufficient demand, which in crypto is a shortfall of increasingly greater fools willing to risk investing their money in “securities fraud as a business”. When demand dries up in this scenario, prices always go to zero, usually in spectacular fashion." Very true about 'crypto'. Anybody can create new tokens, there are effectively infinite. However, nobody can just create new Bitcoin. Bitcoin is scarce, but shitcoins are abundant. Overall the author is mostly correct about 'crypto'. The misunderstanding is thinking that Bitcoin is part of 'crypto'. It is not.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > I find it ironic when people use the term 'basic economics', but have clearly never read "Basic Economics" (https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics). Why? A generic phrase is clearly not a reference to book that co-opted it for its title. Otherwise, somebody really ought to write a bit of Marxist economic propaganda called "Basic Economics."
  - seniorivn 5y ago
    True, but if you never read nor marxist nor Sowel like basic literature, than how would you know that you are aware of the basic economics in the first place? and if the only literature on that topic you've read is a special kind(only marxist for example) than it's likely that no matter how intelligent you are, but your way of thought has been overly influenced by one school of thought. My general position on political topics like this, is to start with reading literature that is somewhat widely adopted but foreign to your own views, like if you are libertarian leaning to force yourself to read leftist philosophers and theorists. This guy is basically opposed to libertarian philosophy, so using the term basic economics and not reading a book with the same name, from one of the most well known academics with libertarian views(or showing understanding of it's contents) is at least weird.
  - sparkie 5y ago
    Because they don't actually mean 'basic economics' when they say that. They mean Keynesian economics. Which is 'basically wrong' economics.
- breadbreadbread 5y ago
  > Bitcoin recognizes the history of the debasement of monies very well I understand that crypto evangelists say that they have "fixed" the problems with physical markets, but time and time again I see crypto projects repeating the biggest failures of monetary history. Ponzi schemes, pump-and-dump, corrupt or fraudulent banks, heists, money laundering, tax havens for the super-rich. In physical economics, we still have those problems but we've built up regulation and fluency to protect ourselves over hundreds of years, and crypto seems to be back in the wild west and people are seriously getting hurt by it. I can't take crypto seriously until it accepts that the regulation that it so desperately tries to avoid actually does protect people. > they're paid to push inflationism, which benefits the early receivers of new money at the expense of savers, fixed-wage earners and property owners. Tell me, how do cryptocurrencies benefit fixed-wage earners over "early recievers of new money"? Who do you think benefits most from crypto? It's not wage-workers. Crypto is just an unregulated market with unpredictable volatility, and as such it will always benefit those who can accept that risk early (rich people) more than the people who cant (not rich people).
scottiebarnes 5y ago
If you're looking for interesting criticisms of crypto, this article/blog is not it. Mostly ranting/whining, almost something you'd see posted in r/IAmVerySmart
cuteboy19 5y ago
> Ponzinomics The preferred term is tokenomics.
arbol 5y ago
This is poorly written and uninformative.
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46 points by 4monthsaway 5y ago

Bunch of conjectures with no evidence but simply repeating "crypto bad because I said so." Piece of advice, you should have some sources and also qualify your opinions with: "In my opinion," as then your post makes sense. Nothing of note in the whole post save the point about waiting game playing out between coiners vs no-coin-bros

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cyanydeez 5y ago
I mean, scams seem to be the only success stories I hear

sparkie 5y ago

> "The problem with Bitcoin is it shoves basic economics and monetary history in the toilet and replaces these with a radical monetary ideology, a blockchain-based embodiment of The Sovereign Individual." Quite the opposite. Bitcoin recognizes the history of the debasement of monies very well, unlike the Keynesian view. I find it ironic when people use the term 'basic economics', but have clearly never read "Basic Economics" (https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics). > "As the financial system has slowly shifted to cater to the post-WW2 status quo, money supply has become the least important factor. It's why barely any economist or monetary official brings it up, and why they don't take Bitcoin seriously." And it's why you're enjoying 7.8% inflation and why prices will double in just 9 years, if inflation stays at this rate and doesn't increase any further. (Hint: It will) They don't bring it up because they're paid to push inflationism, which benefits the early receivers of new money at the expense of savers, fixed-wage earners and property owners. > "The idea of digital scarcity is ludicrous, because you can create an unlimited quantity of digital items and now, thanks to crypto, an unlimited amount of links to those items. According to the basic laws of economics, an infinite supply will always lead to insufficient demand, which in crypto is a shortfall of increasingly greater fools willing to risk investing their money in “securities fraud as a business”. When demand dries up in this scenario, prices always go to zero, usually in spectacular fashion." Very true about 'crypto'. Anybody can create new tokens, there are effectively infinite. However, nobody can just create new Bitcoin. Bitcoin is scarce, but shitcoins are abundant. Overall the author is mostly correct about 'crypto'. The misunderstanding is thinking that Bitcoin is part of 'crypto'. It is not.

tablespoon 5y ago
> I find it ironic when people use the term 'basic economics', but have clearly never read "Basic Economics" (https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics https://sowell.org/books/basic-economics). Why? A generic phrase is clearly not a reference to book that co-opted it for its title. Otherwise, somebody really ought to write a bit of Marxist economic propaganda called "Basic Economics."
- seniorivn 5y ago
  True, but if you never read nor marxist nor Sowel like basic literature, than how would you know that you are aware of the basic economics in the first place? and if the only literature on that topic you've read is a special kind(only marxist for example) than it's likely that no matter how intelligent you are, but your way of thought has been overly influenced by one school of thought. My general position on political topics like this, is to start with reading literature that is somewhat widely adopted but foreign to your own views, like if you are libertarian leaning to force yourself to read leftist philosophers and theorists. This guy is basically opposed to libertarian philosophy, so using the term basic economics and not reading a book with the same name, from one of the most well known academics with libertarian views(or showing understanding of it's contents) is at least weird.
- sparkie 5y ago
  Because they don't actually mean 'basic economics' when they say that. They mean Keynesian economics. Which is 'basically wrong' economics.
breadbreadbread 5y ago
> Bitcoin recognizes the history of the debasement of monies very well I understand that crypto evangelists say that they have "fixed" the problems with physical markets, but time and time again I see crypto projects repeating the biggest failures of monetary history. Ponzi schemes, pump-and-dump, corrupt or fraudulent banks, heists, money laundering, tax havens for the super-rich. In physical economics, we still have those problems but we've built up regulation and fluency to protect ourselves over hundreds of years, and crypto seems to be back in the wild west and people are seriously getting hurt by it. I can't take crypto seriously until it accepts that the regulation that it so desperately tries to avoid actually does protect people. > they're paid to push inflationism, which benefits the early receivers of new money at the expense of savers, fixed-wage earners and property owners. Tell me, how do cryptocurrencies benefit fixed-wage earners over "early recievers of new money"? Who do you think benefits most from crypto? It's not wage-workers. Crypto is just an unregulated market with unpredictable volatility, and as such it will always benefit those who can accept that risk early (rich people) more than the people who cant (not rich people).

scottiebarnes 5y ago

If you're looking for interesting criticisms of crypto, this article/blog is not it. Mostly ranting/whining, almost something you'd see posted in r/IAmVerySmart

cuteboy19 5y ago

> Ponzinomics The preferred term is tokenomics.

arbol 5y ago

This is poorly written and uninformative.

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