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...and also his first Oscar. I've read a couple things over the years that the win for The Departed is a sort of make-up from the Academy for Scorsese losing B

...and also his first Oscar. I've read a couple things over the years that the win for The Departed is a sort of make-up from the Academy for Scorsese losing Best Director for Raging Bull in '81 to Robert Redford (for "Ordinary People", who remembers that?) and for Goodfellas in '91 to Kevin Costner (for "Dances with Wolves", who WANTS to remember that?)

BeetleB 5y ago
Having seen both, Ordinary People is definitely the better movie. Goodfellas vs Dances With Wolves: A tie. Sorry, there really are people who really liked Dances With Wolves. I myself saw it again after over 20 years recently, and it's still great in my older age. Most of the criticism I've seen of it is flawed. From an artistic standpoint, it beats Goodfellas hands down - but Goodfellas is much more entertaining.
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pmoriarty 5y ago
I loved Ordinary People.. and hated Raging Bull, which is so overrated.
kthejoker2 5y ago
It's funny, I think your Ordinary People vs Raging Bull comment excellently underscores the original article. Raging Bull is a cinematic masterpiece. As "art as art" it is sublime. It is a love letter to film. Ordinary People is an emotional masterpiece. As "art as therapy" it is sublime. It is a love letter to humanity. When people "steal" from Raging Bull it's fairly obvious and usually surface level. Plenty of people stole from Ordinary People, too, it's just harder to spot because what they stole is more psychological and subtextual. Just as a simple example, the most iconic televison show of the last 30 years (The Simpsons) cribbed way more from Ordinary People than Raging Bull. If you look, it's easy to spot the influence throughout the series' run. But there's no single iconic shot like their Raging Bull slo-mo homage in "The Homer They Fall." What does it even mean, to remember, to steal, art...?

BeetleB 5y ago

Having seen both, Ordinary People is definitely the better movie. Goodfellas vs Dances With Wolves: A tie. Sorry, there really are people who really liked Dances With Wolves. I myself saw it again after over 20 years recently, and it's still great in my older age. Most of the criticism I've seen of it is flawed. From an artistic standpoint, it beats Goodfellas hands down - but Goodfellas is much more entertaining.

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pmoriarty 5y ago

I loved Ordinary People.. and hated Raging Bull, which is so overrated.

kthejoker2 5y ago

It's funny, I think your Ordinary People vs Raging Bull comment excellently underscores the original article. Raging Bull is a cinematic masterpiece. As "art as art" it is sublime. It is a love letter to film. Ordinary People is an emotional masterpiece. As "art as therapy" it is sublime. It is a love letter to humanity. When people "steal" from Raging Bull it's fairly obvious and usually surface level. Plenty of people stole from Ordinary People, too, it's just harder to spot because what they stole is more psychological and subtextual. Just as a simple example, the most iconic televison show of the last 30 years (The Simpsons) cribbed way more from Ordinary People than Raging Bull. If you look, it's easy to spot the influence throughout the series' run. But there's no single iconic shot like their Raging Bull slo-mo homage in "The Homer They Fall." What does it even mean, to remember, to steal, art...?