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Charitably, the author doesn't mention Aronofsky also ripping off Pi from Tetsuo: the Iron Man.

Jtsummers 5y ago
From reading the synopsis of the plot (I've seen Pi several times, but never heard of Tetsuo: the Iron Man before), what does Tetsuo: the Iron Man have to do with Pi? The story at least shows no obvious connection.
- autarch 5y ago
  I've seen both (though a while ago), and I think there's some elements of Pi's visual style that resemble Tetsuo. But I'd note that whenever someone points out that X copied Y, we can always go deeper and find out that they both really copied Z, who copied A, ... There's no such thing as original art. Everything is a copy.
  - prvc 5y ago
    It's a question of degree, and also one of context. In this case, he seems to have extracted a lot of value from somebody else's work without himself having created much that is new.
  - jacobolus 5y ago
    https://www.everythingisaremix.info https://www.everythingisaremix.info
  - pkdpic 5y ago
    > Everything is a copy. Or nothings a copy. Maybe. Either way I'm with you. And I'm looking forward to watching Tetsuo Iron Man.
samatman 5y ago
I won't call a film a ripoff unless it adds nothing to the world which wasn't given by the original. Pi clears this bar easily. Sure, shooting 16mm off the hand, with oversaturated, Expressionist lighting, and some of the body horror (or did they both "rip off" Cronenberg there?) approaches homage. If one has seen Tetsuo first, there's more to appreciate. But Pi is an excellent movie, which carries its own themes gracefully, Aronofsky made his reputation on that film and deserved to. The soundtrack was also groundbreaking. If we were to adopt your idea of what constitutes a ripoff, the result would be more bland and defensive cinema, the kind where the script may as well have been written by the studio's attorneys. So let's not.
- nonamenoslogan 5y ago
  11:15; restate my assumptions.
goto11 5y ago
I don't see how it is a rip-off? There are some similarities in both being low-budget raw black and white movies, but that is a whole genre.
pmoriarty 5y ago
Pi has nothing to do with Tetsuo. Completely different movies.

From reading the synopsis of the plot (I've seen Pi several times, but never heard of Tetsuo: the Iron Man before), what does Tetsuo: the Iron Man have to do with Pi? The story at least shows no obvious connection.

autarch 5y ago
I've seen both (though a while ago), and I think there's some elements of Pi's visual style that resemble Tetsuo. But I'd note that whenever someone points out that X copied Y, we can always go deeper and find out that they both really copied Z, who copied A, ... There's no such thing as original art. Everything is a copy.
- prvc 5y ago
  It's a question of degree, and also one of context. In this case, he seems to have extracted a lot of value from somebody else's work without himself having created much that is new.
- jacobolus 5y ago
  https://www.everythingisaremix.info https://www.everythingisaremix.info
- pkdpic 5y ago
  > Everything is a copy. Or nothings a copy. Maybe. Either way I'm with you. And I'm looking forward to watching Tetsuo Iron Man.

samatman 5y ago

I won't call a film a ripoff unless it adds nothing to the world which wasn't given by the original. Pi clears this bar easily. Sure, shooting 16mm off the hand, with oversaturated, Expressionist lighting, and some of the body horror (or did they both "rip off" Cronenberg there?) approaches homage. If one has seen Tetsuo first, there's more to appreciate. But Pi is an excellent movie, which carries its own themes gracefully, Aronofsky made his reputation on that film and deserved to. The soundtrack was also groundbreaking. If we were to adopt your idea of what constitutes a ripoff, the result would be more bland and defensive cinema, the kind where the script may as well have been written by the studio's attorneys. So let's not.

nonamenoslogan 5y ago
11:15; restate my assumptions.

goto11 5y ago

I don't see how it is a rip-off? There are some similarities in both being low-budget raw black and white movies, but that is a whole genre.

pmoriarty 5y ago

Pi has nothing to do with Tetsuo. Completely different movies.