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Income equality and xenophobia isn’t exactly unique to the US, I don’t think China or Russia has any less income inequality or (governmental) xenophobia. I’d a

Income equality and xenophobia isn’t exactly unique to the US, I don’t think China or Russia has any less income inequality or (governmental) xenophobia. I’d argue xenophobia is very limited in a population of >300M, it’s just one of those issues where the minority is very vocal which the media loves to magnify. There was just an article on HN about people grossly overestimating the size of subgroups in the populace and I’m sure xenophobes would be one of those overestimations.

groby_b 5y ago
Metrics: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=US-RU-CN https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=U... The Gini coefficient gives you a measure of income inequality, and the US "wins", handily. Systemic racism & xenophobia is a bit harder to measure. There's the IPC index, but I can't find a reference comparing the three countries. Immigration rates point to all three being rather bad, with China being the worst. (In that they are the one of the three to have a negative immigration rate) It's worth keeping in mind that "xenophobia" doesn't make sense, per se. There is, at least in the US, a clear hierarchy of immigration nations, and some are very welcome, while others are decidedly not. I'd assume the same is true in Russia and China. (I vaguely know it to be the case in Russia. I have no idea about China)
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  > Naturalization is exceptionally rare in mainland China; there were only 1,448 naturalized persons reported in the 2010 census[47] out of the country's total population of 1.34 billion.[48] Acquiring Chinese nationality is more common in Hong Kong; the Immigration Department naturalized over 10,000 people between the transfer of sovereignty and 2012,[49] and continues to receive over 1,500 applications per year since 2016.[50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationality_law#Acquisition_and_loss_of_nationality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationality_law#Acquis...
- throwawaycities 5y ago
  Here is an article from 2019, the World Bank data you linked includes up until 2018, anyway the article includes the gini coefficient sourced from OECD and it has Russia at #11 (.38), US at #9 (.39), and China at #2 (.51) out of the countries they included in their rankings. This seems very close to the 2018 World Bank data you linked for Russia and the US, but as you will note the last year of available data for China with the World Bank is 2016 at which point the gini coefficient exceeds Russia. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39510157 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39510157
- whakim 5y ago
  Putting aside the big issues with using the Gini coefficient as a measure of income inequality (very different distributions can have similar Gini coefficients) - and the even bigger issue of ignoring wealth altogether - the World Bank data relies on household surveys which are notoriously unreliable even in Western countries. Those numbers ought to be taken with a big heaping of salt.

groby_b 5y ago

Metrics: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=US-RU-CN https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=U... The Gini coefficient gives you a measure of income inequality, and the US "wins", handily. Systemic racism & xenophobia is a bit harder to measure. There's the IPC index, but I can't find a reference comparing the three countries. Immigration rates point to all three being rather bad, with China being the worst. (In that they are the one of the three to have a negative immigration rate) It's worth keeping in mind that "xenophobia" doesn't make sense, per se. There is, at least in the US, a clear hierarchy of immigration nations, and some are very welcome, while others are decidedly not. I'd assume the same is true in Russia and China. (I vaguely know it to be the case in Russia. I have no idea about China)

barry-cotter 5y ago
> Naturalization is exceptionally rare in mainland China; there were only 1,448 naturalized persons reported in the 2010 census[47] out of the country's total population of 1.34 billion.[48] Acquiring Chinese nationality is more common in Hong Kong; the Immigration Department naturalized over 10,000 people between the transfer of sovereignty and 2012,[49] and continues to receive over 1,500 applications per year since 2016.[50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationality_law#Acquisition_and_loss_of_nationality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationality_law#Acquis...
throwawaycities 5y ago
Here is an article from 2019, the World Bank data you linked includes up until 2018, anyway the article includes the gini coefficient sourced from OECD and it has Russia at #11 (.38), US at #9 (.39), and China at #2 (.51) out of the countries they included in their rankings. This seems very close to the 2018 World Bank data you linked for Russia and the US, but as you will note the last year of available data for China with the World Bank is 2016 at which point the gini coefficient exceeds Russia. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39510157 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39510157
whakim 5y ago
Putting aside the big issues with using the Gini coefficient as a measure of income inequality (very different distributions can have similar Gini coefficients) - and the even bigger issue of ignoring wealth altogether - the World Bank data relies on household surveys which are notoriously unreliable even in Western countries. Those numbers ought to be taken with a big heaping of salt.