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I don't really give a damn about battery /efficiency/. I care about battery life. The impact on my power bill of charging up a 5000mah battery vs a 2500mah batt

I don't really give a damn about battery /efficiency/. I care about battery life. The impact on my power bill of charging up a 5000mah battery vs a 2500mah battery is completely insignificant. If Apples battery efficiency is so good they should release a phone with a 5000mah battery /as well as/ said efficiency and market their battery life that beats all their competitors by multiple days, I'm sure a lot of people would buy that in a heartbeat.

otterley 5y ago
The energy consumption when charging isn't the issue; it's all that extra mass of additional battery needed to hold the charge.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  I don't mind a heavier phone at all. Especially if that means an improved device life until mandatory charge
  - simonh 5y ago
    That’s what battery cases are for. There’s no need to weigh down a standard model with battery capacity that’s far beyond what the majority of users need. That’s more of a concern with niche phones that won’t get specifically designed battery cases, but for iPhones there are plethora of options.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      The majority of users need all battery capacity they can carry.
      - simonh 5y ago
        That’s their decision, not yours.
amarshall 5y ago
What? The power bill is not insignificant, it is irrelevant when talking about battery capacity. The size of the battery has no bearing on the energy cost. If the device consumes 2500 mAh per day, that costs the same whether the batter is 10,000 mAh or 500 mAh. The downsides of larger batteries are increased weight, volume, and cost. Being more efficient gets the same battery life for less of those three, allowing them to either be reduced or the budget to go to other components.
Firmwarrior 5y ago
Android OEMs constantly try releasing a bulky phone with a multi-day battery life, and it never pans out.
- mixedCase 5y ago
  Xiaomi midrange phones are extremely successful outside of Europe and the US. They come standard with multi-day battery, headphone jack, IR blaster, microSD slots, multiple SIMs...
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - rwmj 5y ago
    Hugely popular with people from mainland China. They are almost comically large though!
    - amosbatto 5y ago
      Xiaomi is the number one brand in Europe and India, and was the number 3 brand worldwide by unit sales in the year 2021. Xiaomi actually does the worst in its home market. It was the 4th largest brand inside China in Q3 2021, and it fell to 5th place in Q4 2021. See: https://www.gsmarena.com/strategy_analytics_xiaomi_is_the_top_smartphone_seller_in_europe_in_q2-news-50358.php https://www.gsmarena.com/strategy_analytics_xiaomi_is_the_to... https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-03-01-4q21-smartphone-market-share https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-03-0... As for Xiaomi being comically large, I found the mid-range Samsung and Motorola models to have larger bezels and to generally be larger for similar specs when I bought my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 a couple years ago. The reality is that the majority of phones from Motorola, Xiaomi, LG and Nokia are designed and manufactured by 3 Chinese ODMs (Wingtech, Huaquin and Longcheer), and even 20% of Samsung's phones come from these 3 ODMs. See: https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2021/12/10/comparing-l5-and-pp/#branding-and-custom-design https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2021/12/10/comparing-l5-and...
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
xvector 5y ago
No one wants to carry around a 5000 mAh brick everywhere they go.
- slaw 5y ago
  2900mAh iPhone 7 Plus battery is 41 gram. Is 20 extra grams too heavy for you?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The weight of a penny is too much for you?
bartvk 5y ago
There are the iPhone Smart Battery Cases. It's not the same as a full 5000mAh battery, that's true. But you can kinda get there. I'm also surprised they never released such a phone. Perhaps the production would be just too small for them to focus on.
- etbe 5y ago
  Web sites review phones based on weight. Phones are designed for review as a higher priority than being designed for use.

otterley 5y ago

The energy consumption when charging isn't the issue; it's all that extra mass of additional battery needed to hold the charge.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
I don't mind a heavier phone at all. Especially if that means an improved device life until mandatory charge
- simonh 5y ago
  That’s what battery cases are for. There’s no need to weigh down a standard model with battery capacity that’s far beyond what the majority of users need. That’s more of a concern with niche phones that won’t get specifically designed battery cases, but for iPhones there are plethora of options.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    The majority of users need all battery capacity they can carry.
    - simonh 5y ago
      That’s their decision, not yours.

amarshall 5y ago

What? The power bill is not insignificant, it is irrelevant when talking about battery capacity. The size of the battery has no bearing on the energy cost. If the device consumes 2500 mAh per day, that costs the same whether the batter is 10,000 mAh or 500 mAh. The downsides of larger batteries are increased weight, volume, and cost. Being more efficient gets the same battery life for less of those three, allowing them to either be reduced or the budget to go to other components.

Firmwarrior 5y ago

Android OEMs constantly try releasing a bulky phone with a multi-day battery life, and it never pans out.

mixedCase 5y ago
Xiaomi midrange phones are extremely successful outside of Europe and the US. They come standard with multi-day battery, headphone jack, IR blaster, microSD slots, multiple SIMs...
- deleted 5y ago
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- rwmj 5y ago
  Hugely popular with people from mainland China. They are almost comically large though!
  - amosbatto 5y ago
    Xiaomi is the number one brand in Europe and India, and was the number 3 brand worldwide by unit sales in the year 2021. Xiaomi actually does the worst in its home market. It was the 4th largest brand inside China in Q3 2021, and it fell to 5th place in Q4 2021. See: https://www.gsmarena.com/strategy_analytics_xiaomi_is_the_top_smartphone_seller_in_europe_in_q2-news-50358.php https://www.gsmarena.com/strategy_analytics_xiaomi_is_the_to... https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-03-01-4q21-smartphone-market-share https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-03-0... As for Xiaomi being comically large, I found the mid-range Samsung and Motorola models to have larger bezels and to generally be larger for similar specs when I bought my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 a couple years ago. The reality is that the majority of phones from Motorola, Xiaomi, LG and Nokia are designed and manufactured by 3 Chinese ODMs (Wingtech, Huaquin and Longcheer), and even 20% of Samsung's phones come from these 3 ODMs. See: https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2021/12/10/comparing-l5-and-pp/#branding-and-custom-design https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2021/12/10/comparing-l5-and...
Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

xvector 5y ago

No one wants to carry around a 5000 mAh brick everywhere they go.

slaw 5y ago
2900mAh iPhone 7 Plus battery is 41 gram. Is 20 extra grams too heavy for you?
ipaddr 5y ago
The weight of a penny is too much for you?

bartvk 5y ago

There are the iPhone Smart Battery Cases. It's not the same as a full 5000mAh battery, that's true. But you can kinda get there. I'm also surprised they never released such a phone. Perhaps the production would be just too small for them to focus on.

etbe 5y ago
Web sites review phones based on weight. Phones are designed for review as a higher priority than being designed for use.