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Motorcycles are extremely dangerous. Research about accidents and (lack of) safety where they're popular: Índia, Brazil, etc. You don't wanna go to funerals aft

Motorcycles are extremely dangerous. Research about accidents and (lack of) safety where they're popular: Índia, Brazil, etc. You don't wanna go to funerals after this comes to your city, trust me. One doctor working on organ transplant told me once that almost 90% of donors in one Brazilian big city were riders of urban motorcycles.

Existenceblinks 5y ago
It also depends on what area they ride. It's pretty safe in my city, we ride under 50km/h in-city, and I never ride above 70km/h outside city. 20 years, zero crashes. However, some city is crazy, 70km/h is norm around city center. Not including driving fast sounds cool? (I think it's instead, lame, nothing else to show off)
maven29 5y ago
Correlation isn't necessarily causation. The majority of organ donors in the US are probably car drivers, for example. They also breathe oxygen, which can be fatal in the long term.
- pugz 5y ago
  You'd be surprised. Motorcyclists make up a substantial fraction of all organ donors in the USA. Fatal crashes for motorcyclists are usually the result of traumatic brain injury while leaving the rest of the body intact -- the ideal scenario for organ donation. Fatal crashes for car drivers and passengers usually invokes significant damage to the whole body. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/661256 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/661256
  - TapWaterBandit 5y ago
    Sure, but motorcyclist injuries where the rider isn't wearing a helmet are like car injuries where the passengers aren't wearing seatbelts. That being said I was astounded when I was in the Southern US the number of people I saw riding their motorbikes without helmets. Must feel amazing but I would never ever risk that in a million years. You don't even need to fall far or fast for a head blow to scramble you.
    - rmbyrro 5y ago
      It's not just direct impact, rapid deceleration can also be traumatic to the brain and other organs. Cars have materials designed to deform in predictable ways to absorb shock and smooth the deceleration process in case of an impact. Motorcycles have absolutely nothing of this sort. Body airbags can help a lot, but are still far from the safety that a car offers. Personal opinion: motorcycles, as a means of urban transportation not sports or leisure, are for people who don't have an option and don't value their lives highly enough.
- dymk 5y ago
  Strong "Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge" vibe > "We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of parachute intervention" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/
TapWaterBandit 5y ago
The stats can be a bit deceptive when it comes to motorbikes. Focusing on the first world (where I know the situation) the death rate for 16-24 year old males is massive relative to cars while 25+ is much closer to normal vehicle deaths. In terms of organ donation, that is because an astonishing amount of people don't wear a helmet when on a motorcycle or wear one of those fashionable open-face helmets. Many people are also unaware you can get airbags for motorcyclists (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-tech-air-5-system https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-tech-air-5-s...). This is obviously a thing more for first world riders and they are expensive but are very effective at preventing any injury you can't walk away from (assuming you also wear a proper helmet like I mentioned).

Existenceblinks 5y ago

It also depends on what area they ride. It's pretty safe in my city, we ride under 50km/h in-city, and I never ride above 70km/h outside city. 20 years, zero crashes. However, some city is crazy, 70km/h is norm around city center. Not including driving fast sounds cool? (I think it's instead, lame, nothing else to show off)

maven29 5y ago

Correlation isn't necessarily causation. The majority of organ donors in the US are probably car drivers, for example. They also breathe oxygen, which can be fatal in the long term.

pugz 5y ago
You'd be surprised. Motorcyclists make up a substantial fraction of all organ donors in the USA. Fatal crashes for motorcyclists are usually the result of traumatic brain injury while leaving the rest of the body intact -- the ideal scenario for organ donation. Fatal crashes for car drivers and passengers usually invokes significant damage to the whole body. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/661256 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/661256
- TapWaterBandit 5y ago
  Sure, but motorcyclist injuries where the rider isn't wearing a helmet are like car injuries where the passengers aren't wearing seatbelts. That being said I was astounded when I was in the Southern US the number of people I saw riding their motorbikes without helmets. Must feel amazing but I would never ever risk that in a million years. You don't even need to fall far or fast for a head blow to scramble you.
  - rmbyrro 5y ago
    It's not just direct impact, rapid deceleration can also be traumatic to the brain and other organs. Cars have materials designed to deform in predictable ways to absorb shock and smooth the deceleration process in case of an impact. Motorcycles have absolutely nothing of this sort. Body airbags can help a lot, but are still far from the safety that a car offers. Personal opinion: motorcycles, as a means of urban transportation not sports or leisure, are for people who don't have an option and don't value their lives highly enough.
dymk 5y ago
Strong "Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge" vibe > "We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of parachute intervention" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/

TapWaterBandit 5y ago

The stats can be a bit deceptive when it comes to motorbikes. Focusing on the first world (where I know the situation) the death rate for 16-24 year old males is massive relative to cars while 25+ is much closer to normal vehicle deaths. In terms of organ donation, that is because an astonishing amount of people don't wear a helmet when on a motorcycle or wear one of those fashionable open-face helmets. Many people are also unaware you can get airbags for motorcyclists (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-tech-air-5-system https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/alpinestars-tech-air-5-s...). This is obviously a thing more for first world riders and they are expensive but are very effective at preventing any injury you can't walk away from (assuming you also wear a proper helmet like I mentioned).