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1914 is especially relevant. The world pushed itself into world War for the same reason some people are now advocating for military action against Russia; we ha

1914 is especially relevant. The world pushed itself into world War for the same reason some people are now advocating for military action against Russia; we have to save the underdog european country of Serbia/Ukraine or else the Austrians/Russians will gain a hegemony over the rest of the Balkans/Eastern europe, plus they wouldn't dare actually going to war against us and they are just bluffing. It's a bit maddening that a NFZ has even been proposed by actually serious people and repeatedly normalized as a harsh but possible choice by journalists and the media. To me, that's so much more dangerous than any "dangerous misinformation" or call for violence that we were so obsessed about suppressing in the past 2 years. The normalization is working, because that there's even a discussion on enforcing a no fly zone over the military of a nuclear power would've been unthinkable even in the depths of the cold war. And the comparisons to ww2/hitler are not helping at all.

sidibe 5y ago
> we have to save the underdog european country of Serbia/Ukraine or else the Austrians/Russians will gain a hegemony over the rest of the Balkans/Eastern europe The West isn't actually scared of the threat of Russian hegemony over Ukraine. It's more just that it would be a tragedy for Ukrainians who have been trying since the early 2000's to shake free of them. It's also about solidifying the idea that you don't take over neighbors for imperial reasons. The appeals to "you could be next" aren't really a motivator in all this for any NATO country, but there is a lot of sympathy from liberal democracies for a country trying to become one being invaded by a relic from the past.
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  I know that our military and state leadership are not really worried about further russian expansion... but amongst the public it's an extremely common argument. There are a few examples of that even in this thread.
ineedasername 5y ago
Well, what do you think will happen if Russia takes Ukraine? Do you think they will settle back in into a peaceful stance, uninterested in further conflict? That Ukraine is truly the final step in whatever geopolitical strategy they're enacting?

sidibe 5y ago

> we have to save the underdog european country of Serbia/Ukraine or else the Austrians/Russians will gain a hegemony over the rest of the Balkans/Eastern europe The West isn't actually scared of the threat of Russian hegemony over Ukraine. It's more just that it would be a tragedy for Ukrainians who have been trying since the early 2000's to shake free of them. It's also about solidifying the idea that you don't take over neighbors for imperial reasons. The appeals to "you could be next" aren't really a motivator in all this for any NATO country, but there is a lot of sympathy from liberal democracies for a country trying to become one being invaded by a relic from the past.

mardifoufs 5y ago
I know that our military and state leadership are not really worried about further russian expansion... but amongst the public it's an extremely common argument. There are a few examples of that even in this thread.

ineedasername 5y ago

Well, what do you think will happen if Russia takes Ukraine? Do you think they will settle back in into a peaceful stance, uninterested in further conflict? That Ukraine is truly the final step in whatever geopolitical strategy they're enacting?