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> but if your job or passion is to make pictures a proper camera will always be better The camera you have with you is better than the camera you don't. A smar

> but if your job or passion is to make pictures a proper camera will always be better The camera you have with you is better than the camera you don't. A smartphone camera which delivers 90% of the results while being on your person 100% of the time is therefore a strong contender. > No amount of computational photography will make you a good photographer and if a modern 2k$ camera is the bottleneck it certainly is more of your fault than the camera. - Posts about trade-offs and the loss of competitive advantage between DSLRs/mirrorless Vs. smartphones. - Replies that they aren't a "good photographer" because they hold this opinion. And are therefore clearly the "bottleneck" in quality photographs. QED? This is exactly why photography never evolves (see also film). The community is actually the problem. More specs! More specs! Ignore technological advancement! The camera market shrinks 10% YoY, but no changes, no listening to the market, those who point out the flaws in the strategy aren't "good photographers" who are just bads "bottleneck[ed]" by their lack of skill. CPU and GPU power has doubled, and power consumption has halved, computer vision has had a Renaissance, use it onboard? Na, that's only what 95% of the consumer and prosumer market wants, let's just continue to serve the 5% and keep the training rolling towards bankruptcy. If your equipment need RAW, you've just shrunk your market share by 80%. If you cannot post instantly you've just shrunk it by 90%. So fight to be the King of the tiny kingdom that is the remaining 5-10%. RAW is a great facility to have, but it is just that, a facility. When it picks up the slack for the antiquated onboard abilities it is just a crutch at that point.

lm28469 5y ago
> A smartphone camera which delivers 90% of the results while being on your person 100% It delivers 0% of what I, and many, want. It's like saying a renault twingo is 90% of a porsche 911 because it can go from A to B, it's not and people who say it is simply don't know what they're talking about or don't have the perspective to understand the need for such tools. > This is exactly why photography never evolves (see also film)... More specs! More specs! Ignore technological advancement! Photography _never_ evolves ? Er ok, well if that's what you truly believe I don't see much room for argumentation > If your equipment need RAW, you've just shrunk your market share by 80%. If you cannot post instantly you've just shrunk it by 90%. > The camera market shrinks 10% YoY It's fine, DVD don't sell much anymore either, people move to what's best for them, a dedicated camera isn't and if a phone does 90% of what they perceive is enough then let it be. Nobody's going to buy a sony a7rIV to take snapshots of their lunch and post it as a 480p image on instagram. People use phones because they have phones with them anyways, not because they have computation photography assistances. If it was as easy as you imply don't you think we'd see viable products already ? There is no market for camera oriented phones nor for phone like cameras
- judge2020 5y ago
  > It's like saying a renault twingo is 90% of a porsche 911 because it can go from A to B, Well, it generally is, given 90% or more of a typical 911's driving is probably not on the track or strip. Think of how many rich retirees have them simply for the build quality and status that comes with it. What everyone's missing is that smartphone cameras are a completely different use case than dedicated cameras; whether it be your hobby or profession, a DSLR/other standalone camera is something you take because you're trying to take stunning pictures and you're willing to tinker with the photo before and after it's shot. A phone camera is designed to look stunning, and while you can shoot in RAW, it's designed to get shots for people that only take pictures to later remember the time they spent in a place - these are the same people that would've instead purchased a cheap pocket camera for their road trip and would only see those photos again when they were scrapbooking.

lm28469 5y ago

> A smartphone camera which delivers 90% of the results while being on your person 100% It delivers 0% of what I, and many, want. It's like saying a renault twingo is 90% of a porsche 911 because it can go from A to B, it's not and people who say it is simply don't know what they're talking about or don't have the perspective to understand the need for such tools. > This is exactly why photography never evolves (see also film)... More specs! More specs! Ignore technological advancement! Photography _never_ evolves ? Er ok, well if that's what you truly believe I don't see much room for argumentation > If your equipment need RAW, you've just shrunk your market share by 80%. If you cannot post instantly you've just shrunk it by 90%. > The camera market shrinks 10% YoY It's fine, DVD don't sell much anymore either, people move to what's best for them, a dedicated camera isn't and if a phone does 90% of what they perceive is enough then let it be. Nobody's going to buy a sony a7rIV to take snapshots of their lunch and post it as a 480p image on instagram. People use phones because they have phones with them anyways, not because they have computation photography assistances. If it was as easy as you imply don't you think we'd see viable products already ? There is no market for camera oriented phones nor for phone like cameras

judge2020 5y ago
> It's like saying a renault twingo is 90% of a porsche 911 because it can go from A to B, Well, it generally is, given 90% or more of a typical 911's driving is probably not on the track or strip. Think of how many rich retirees have them simply for the build quality and status that comes with it. What everyone's missing is that smartphone cameras are a completely different use case than dedicated cameras; whether it be your hobby or profession, a DSLR/other standalone camera is something you take because you're trying to take stunning pictures and you're willing to tinker with the photo before and after it's shot. A phone camera is designed to look stunning, and while you can shoot in RAW, it's designed to get shots for people that only take pictures to later remember the time they spent in a place - these are the same people that would've instead purchased a cheap pocket camera for their road trip and would only see those photos again when they were scrapbooking.