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> Dedicated cameras never "ignored" the means to get better dynamic range and signal/noise ratio with stacking. I respectfully disagree. No dedicated format fo

> Dedicated cameras never "ignored" the means to get better dynamic range and signal/noise ratio with stacking. I respectfully disagree. No dedicated format for stacks (instead just filenames), no first party software to combine the stacks, and absolutely no on-board combination. Heck on a fairly recent camera I own, you cannot even configure the camera to always take a stack cellphone style. You have to bind to button to open a menu, to select stack size, every single shot. > And RAW processing software is pretty much embracing computational photography (calibrated optics correction, noise reduction, highlight reconstruction etc, including things like auto retouching and tonemapping if you don't want to do it manually). True. However, the market has shown time and time again that onboard is more popular than post-progressing. People want to snap and post, they don't want to snap and then post the next day/week after they've post processed it in PhotoLab or Lightroom.

vladvasiliu 5y ago
> absolutely no on-board combination. This is false. My 2016 (I think?) Olympus Pen-F does multiple-exposure combination on-board. The results aren't always the best, since you can't control much, and it's JPEG only, but it does do it. The reference manual: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1081745/Olympus-Pen-F.html?page=95 https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1081745/Olympus-Pen-F.html...
hatsunearu 5y ago
The whole stacking argument is, in my opinion, a little silly. Why do we need stacking? Because it allows you to do exposure bracketing to get better dynamic range. Now the question is, in a high end mirrorless like, say an a7r4, you get something like 12-14 stops of dynamic range (expressing this as a number is kind of ambiguous). Do you really need one or two stops of dynamic range with bracketing? I don't think so. If you expose smartly you can absolutely make use of the incredible dynamic range. The only problem I see is on iPhone, it shoots in HEIC which is a great format because it lets you encode much higher dynamic range (and the software support is there to display it correctly). Check out a recent iPhone and take a picture with the sun and something medium-dark and you'll see that the sun is eye searingly bright whereas the medium-dark subject is still visible. I wish there was a flow that lets me produce HEIC images (AFAIK even Photoshop doesn't allow HDR workflows). A lot of the pro imaging workflow is only "aware" of printed end results and low-end digital images like Instagram or JPEG web publishing. Very frustrating in my opinion.

vladvasiliu 5y ago

> absolutely no on-board combination. This is false. My 2016 (I think?) Olympus Pen-F does multiple-exposure combination on-board. The results aren't always the best, since you can't control much, and it's JPEG only, but it does do it. The reference manual: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1081745/Olympus-Pen-F.html?page=95 https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1081745/Olympus-Pen-F.html...

hatsunearu 5y ago

The whole stacking argument is, in my opinion, a little silly. Why do we need stacking? Because it allows you to do exposure bracketing to get better dynamic range. Now the question is, in a high end mirrorless like, say an a7r4, you get something like 12-14 stops of dynamic range (expressing this as a number is kind of ambiguous). Do you really need one or two stops of dynamic range with bracketing? I don't think so. If you expose smartly you can absolutely make use of the incredible dynamic range. The only problem I see is on iPhone, it shoots in HEIC which is a great format because it lets you encode much higher dynamic range (and the software support is there to display it correctly). Check out a recent iPhone and take a picture with the sun and something medium-dark and you'll see that the sun is eye searingly bright whereas the medium-dark subject is still visible. I wish there was a flow that lets me produce HEIC images (AFAIK even Photoshop doesn't allow HDR workflows). A lot of the pro imaging workflow is only "aware" of printed end results and low-end digital images like Instagram or JPEG web publishing. Very frustrating in my opinion.