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Half the software engineers and other STEM professionals I know that lived in Russia have left the country in the last month, me included. Most don't have job o

Half the software engineers and other STEM professionals I know that lived in Russia have left the country in the last month, me included. Most don't have job offers or money to last more than a couple of months, some don't even have their passports.

konschubert 5y ago
I think you and others that left deserve the support of then western world. I’m a software developer in Germany. If you can think of a way I could maybe help, mail me at mail@konstantinschubert.com
- golergka 5y ago
  Capitalism is the best way to do it: just hire people who are leaving. It's a pure win-win situation. There is a direct and very strong correlation in Russia between person's level of education, his worth on the labour market and his disdain for the Russia's policy. While majority of Russians support fascist regime and criminal war against Ukraine, majority of those who leave now, especially those with fluent English and internationally valued skills absolutely do not.
gruez 5y ago
>some don't even have their passports. Do countries accept refugees without passports? I can't imagine living a stateless/undocumented existence in some random country to be better than a relatively middle class life in russia.
- vl 5y ago
  Russians remember iron curtain all too well, wait now, and you will not be able to leave at all. There was no freedom of travel in Soviet Union.
- golergka 5y ago
  Armenia accepts Russian citizen by internal Russian ID. It's confusing, because internal id is called "passport" in Russia, and passport is called "foreign passport" — a legacy of a system that was (and still is) designed to impose prison-like discipline on it's own citizens and limit their ability to go abroad.
- mjevans 5y ago
  I suspect Maybe / It Depends. Plausibly they could beg for asylum given the current geopolitical realities.
  - SXX 5y ago
    Getting asylum for is much harder than you might think when it's come to someone from Russia. Getting into EU using all legal (or illegal) ways and trying to get asylum is good option for people who actually running from war when their home being bombed. But if you're from IT and used to higher quality of life and also need some comfort to work efficiently then it's not an option - because finding a job takes time.
- JAlexoid 5y ago
  You can get a refugee status without an ID. If ID/passport were a requirement, it would make no sense whatsoever... considering that you're likely fleeing a government that wants to kill you.
  - heavenlyblue 5y ago
    But technically Russian government isn’t killing their citizens unless you were conscripted. And for all it is western governments don’t have a good history of accepting refugees, let alone refugees who just decided the leave the country because it’s just not too good there.
    - JAlexoid 5y ago
      > refugees who just decided the leave the country because it’s just not too good there That is literally not a refugee.
  - walrus01 5y ago
    > You can get a refugee status without an ID. tell that to all the afghans in pakistan right now who can't get any documents from the .PK domestic offices of UNHCR
jacquesm 5y ago
If you need a hand, mail in profile.

konschubert 5y ago

I think you and others that left deserve the support of then western world. I’m a software developer in Germany. If you can think of a way I could maybe help, mail me at mail@konstantinschubert.com

golergka 5y ago
Capitalism is the best way to do it: just hire people who are leaving. It's a pure win-win situation. There is a direct and very strong correlation in Russia between person's level of education, his worth on the labour market and his disdain for the Russia's policy. While majority of Russians support fascist regime and criminal war against Ukraine, majority of those who leave now, especially those with fluent English and internationally valued skills absolutely do not.

gruez 5y ago

>some don't even have their passports. Do countries accept refugees without passports? I can't imagine living a stateless/undocumented existence in some random country to be better than a relatively middle class life in russia.

vl 5y ago
Russians remember iron curtain all too well, wait now, and you will not be able to leave at all. There was no freedom of travel in Soviet Union.
golergka 5y ago
Armenia accepts Russian citizen by internal Russian ID. It's confusing, because internal id is called "passport" in Russia, and passport is called "foreign passport" — a legacy of a system that was (and still is) designed to impose prison-like discipline on it's own citizens and limit their ability to go abroad.
mjevans 5y ago
I suspect Maybe / It Depends. Plausibly they could beg for asylum given the current geopolitical realities.
- SXX 5y ago
  Getting asylum for is much harder than you might think when it's come to someone from Russia. Getting into EU using all legal (or illegal) ways and trying to get asylum is good option for people who actually running from war when their home being bombed. But if you're from IT and used to higher quality of life and also need some comfort to work efficiently then it's not an option - because finding a job takes time.
JAlexoid 5y ago
You can get a refugee status without an ID. If ID/passport were a requirement, it would make no sense whatsoever... considering that you're likely fleeing a government that wants to kill you.
- heavenlyblue 5y ago
  But technically Russian government isn’t killing their citizens unless you were conscripted. And for all it is western governments don’t have a good history of accepting refugees, let alone refugees who just decided the leave the country because it’s just not too good there.
  - JAlexoid 5y ago
    > refugees who just decided the leave the country because it’s just not too good there That is literally not a refugee.
- walrus01 5y ago
  > You can get a refugee status without an ID. tell that to all the afghans in pakistan right now who can't get any documents from the .PK domestic offices of UNHCR

jacquesm 5y ago

If you need a hand, mail in profile.