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The average person doesn't care about any of this stuff.

jsnk 15y ago
You are spot on. Samsung has built a better phone, Apple is better at making people think that they built a better phone.
- dhughes 15y ago
  Creepy though to see how effective Apple marketing can be. 4.3" screen (the Fusion edit: make that "Infuse" is 4.5") versus 3.5" screen is a massive difference. Apple pushes Facetime yet Samsung SGII has front camera with 2MP 1920x1080 versus the iPhone at VGA 640x480 (.3MP) Vlingo is pretty darn good too. Although Android has to fix stuff like this http://i.imgur.com/mGwxD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mGwxD.jpg
  - ugh 15y ago
    Why do you think that a larger screen is objectivly better? It's all about personal preference. I despise those phones with large screens.
    - dhughes 15y ago
      Sure it's personal preference but the trend seems to be moving towards larger screens on smartphones in fact doesn't the very definition of a smartphone mean it has a large screen? If it's a smartphone I would say it's main purpose is to view websites and use apps such as Facetime or equivalent which would be uncomfortable on a small fuzzy screen. Some day we get the roll-up displays and have scroll like phones with large folding/roll-up screens.
      - ugh 15y ago
        It's about compromise. A smartphone with a one inch screen would be an obviously stupid idea, as would a smartphone with a ten inch screen. Seen that way "bigger is better" or "smaller is better" doesn't even make sense. My claim is: 3.5 inch screens are a good compromise, allowing for comfortable browsing, reading and writing. The additional screen space would never be worth the additional bulk (also: uncomfortable one hand use) for me. That's all about personal preference.
        ilmare 15y ago
        I think something between 3.5 and 4 would be ideal. Current 3.5 size is small for reading books(typical pdf technical book, page cropped to visible content). Even adding 0.25 inch would be a great help without sacrificing portability.
        dhughes 15y ago
        Another thing to consider is in general the screen bezels of phones is getting thinner too as the screen glass size grows, a 3.5" (88.9mm) iPhone has probably a 1/4" (6.3mm) bezel surrounding the screen. Someone with an iPhone would be used to the "hand feel" of a 4" (101mm) iPhone if the screen bezel were thinner.
  - kyleslattery 15y ago
    How do you do video chat on the SGII though? I'm guessing you need some software like Skype, etc., which means your friend also has to have installed, you need to be friends with them, and so on. On the iPhone, FaceTime is built right into the phone app—just call your friend and press "Video Chat". No need to worry about setting up an account or downloading anything else. The only thing you need to coordinate with your friend is to make sure they have an iPhone.
    - jsight 15y ago
      Google Talk supports Video chat across a wider range of devices than FaceTime.
    - dhughes 15y ago
      Skype would probably be the choice plus you can have group video chat. It is odd that there isn't any ready-to-go Samsung app for it (I have an SGII) or at least I didn't see one yet. It's not a big surprise though since not all phones which use the Android OS have a front facing camera so it would be up to the individual phone manufacturers to add an app if their phone has a front camera.
thenduks 15y ago
Except for one item. They've heard of iOS5, want it bad and have no idea what this silly named 'gingerbread' thing is. For my part, some of their plusses are actually detractors. Removable battery? Every phone I've had was rickety and ended up with a broken battery cover (I wouldn't consider myself hard on electronics) and a bunch of lint and dust inside the phone. 4+ inch screen? Seems big and it's lower resolution, I prefer higher DPI in a smaller screen that can fit in my pocket without making a big flat bulge. And lastly 4G = battery drain. 3G where I live has great performance and I often use the personal wi-fi hotspot and for regular browsing and email and stuff I have only good things to say.
- kyleslattery 15y ago
  Also, I've never really understood why a removable battery is necessary. By the time my battery died in a phone, it's always been time to upgrade anyway, so I never replaced it. Also, if you need extra power during the day, an extra battery seems like it would be pretty annoying, because you have to power off the phone to replace it. I'd rather have an external battery pack to recharge the battery, so I can keep using the phone.
  - thenduks 15y ago
    Great point. Also imagine the space you save by not having a user serviceable battery compartment. No latches and contacts in a little plastic housing and walls to separate the battery from the rest of the device. You can make it any shape you want and fill the entire device. I don't think giving away those benefits are really very worthwhile in any device I own. That includes everything from my toothbrush to my laptop.
smackfu 15y ago
I disagree. They care about screen size. That makes people go "wow" when they are in the cell phone store. Also, not having to pay an extra $100 or $200 for more capacity, although they probably "don't care" in that they just buy the smallest iPhone.
- Terretta 15y ago
  > screen size ... makes people go "wow" when they are in the cell phone store. Then makes them go "crap" when they're trying to walk and text with one thumb.

jsnk 15y ago

You are spot on. Samsung has built a better phone, Apple is better at making people think that they built a better phone.

dhughes 15y ago
Creepy though to see how effective Apple marketing can be. 4.3" screen (the Fusion edit: make that "Infuse" is 4.5") versus 3.5" screen is a massive difference. Apple pushes Facetime yet Samsung SGII has front camera with 2MP 1920x1080 versus the iPhone at VGA 640x480 (.3MP) Vlingo is pretty darn good too. Although Android has to fix stuff like this http://i.imgur.com/mGwxD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mGwxD.jpg
- ugh 15y ago
  Why do you think that a larger screen is objectivly better? It's all about personal preference. I despise those phones with large screens.
  - dhughes 15y ago
    Sure it's personal preference but the trend seems to be moving towards larger screens on smartphones in fact doesn't the very definition of a smartphone mean it has a large screen? If it's a smartphone I would say it's main purpose is to view websites and use apps such as Facetime or equivalent which would be uncomfortable on a small fuzzy screen. Some day we get the roll-up displays and have scroll like phones with large folding/roll-up screens.
    - ugh 15y ago
      It's about compromise. A smartphone with a one inch screen would be an obviously stupid idea, as would a smartphone with a ten inch screen. Seen that way "bigger is better" or "smaller is better" doesn't even make sense. My claim is: 3.5 inch screens are a good compromise, allowing for comfortable browsing, reading and writing. The additional screen space would never be worth the additional bulk (also: uncomfortable one hand use) for me. That's all about personal preference.
      - ilmare 15y ago
        I think something between 3.5 and 4 would be ideal. Current 3.5 size is small for reading books(typical pdf technical book, page cropped to visible content). Even adding 0.25 inch would be a great help without sacrificing portability.
        dhughes 15y ago
        Another thing to consider is in general the screen bezels of phones is getting thinner too as the screen glass size grows, a 3.5" (88.9mm) iPhone has probably a 1/4" (6.3mm) bezel surrounding the screen. Someone with an iPhone would be used to the "hand feel" of a 4" (101mm) iPhone if the screen bezel were thinner.
- kyleslattery 15y ago
  How do you do video chat on the SGII though? I'm guessing you need some software like Skype, etc., which means your friend also has to have installed, you need to be friends with them, and so on. On the iPhone, FaceTime is built right into the phone app—just call your friend and press "Video Chat". No need to worry about setting up an account or downloading anything else. The only thing you need to coordinate with your friend is to make sure they have an iPhone.
  - jsight 15y ago
    Google Talk supports Video chat across a wider range of devices than FaceTime.
  - dhughes 15y ago
    Skype would probably be the choice plus you can have group video chat. It is odd that there isn't any ready-to-go Samsung app for it (I have an SGII) or at least I didn't see one yet. It's not a big surprise though since not all phones which use the Android OS have a front facing camera so it would be up to the individual phone manufacturers to add an app if their phone has a front camera.

thenduks 15y ago

Except for one item. They've heard of iOS5, want it bad and have no idea what this silly named 'gingerbread' thing is. For my part, some of their plusses are actually detractors. Removable battery? Every phone I've had was rickety and ended up with a broken battery cover (I wouldn't consider myself hard on electronics) and a bunch of lint and dust inside the phone. 4+ inch screen? Seems big and it's lower resolution, I prefer higher DPI in a smaller screen that can fit in my pocket without making a big flat bulge. And lastly 4G = battery drain. 3G where I live has great performance and I often use the personal wi-fi hotspot and for regular browsing and email and stuff I have only good things to say.

kyleslattery 15y ago
Also, I've never really understood why a removable battery is necessary. By the time my battery died in a phone, it's always been time to upgrade anyway, so I never replaced it. Also, if you need extra power during the day, an extra battery seems like it would be pretty annoying, because you have to power off the phone to replace it. I'd rather have an external battery pack to recharge the battery, so I can keep using the phone.
- thenduks 15y ago
  Great point. Also imagine the space you save by not having a user serviceable battery compartment. No latches and contacts in a little plastic housing and walls to separate the battery from the rest of the device. You can make it any shape you want and fill the entire device. I don't think giving away those benefits are really very worthwhile in any device I own. That includes everything from my toothbrush to my laptop.

smackfu 15y ago

I disagree. They care about screen size. That makes people go "wow" when they are in the cell phone store. Also, not having to pay an extra $100 or $200 for more capacity, although they probably "don't care" in that they just buy the smallest iPhone.

Terretta 15y ago
> screen size ... makes people go "wow" when they are in the cell phone store. Then makes them go "crap" when they're trying to walk and text with one thumb.