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That's not trolling, it's just not a popular opinion.

ummonk 5y ago
Not an appropriate question for HN though. Not that it makes a difference to their comment here, which is entirely reasonable.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Advocatus diaboli: WHY is it not an "appropriate" question for NH, and who decides what is appropriate?
  - ummonk 5y ago
    I think the guidelines are pretty straightforward - pure politics is inappropriate for HN, but if it's some phenomenon of interest to hackers then it's okay: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html As to who decides, I believe it's a combination of user flagging and moderation by a few HN mods.
tuyguntn 5y ago
Kudos to you! I don't get how people behave when you try to look from other people's perspective and share your opinion, if it doesn't match with their opinion, you immediately marked as "brainwashed", "troll", "stupid conservative" and so on. Why on Earth we gave up diversity of opinions and started thinking only one side is always right. * US can ban mass media - stopping propoganda. any other country banning media - violation of freedom of speech * US invades a country, destroys economy for another 50 years - fighting for human rights. any other country, aggressor * CIA tortures - that's fine, we need to get terrorists. any other country - human right violations. * US says something - right! any other person - ohh brainwashed, troll, as if we don't have a brain and we don't compare actions of governments
hackerfromthefu 5y ago
The theme of their posts seems consistent with what a russian psy-op would be. Probably a paid inciter/troll.
- tuyguntn 5y ago
  First of all, I am not a Russian, not paid by Russia and 100% chance I can't prove it to you that I am not a troll, so I don't care, that's clear. What I can tell you is, I don't trust USA with its politicans like * George Bush * Hillary Clinton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI happy for destroying a nation) * Joe Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927i2HAgxms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927i2HAgxms telling how he suggested bombing Belgrade) * Colin Powell (famous lier, who lied to invade another country) and many more stupid politicians. I don't trust Putin as well, but that's not main issue here, my concern is ordinary people, like you and me are dying! for what? they even don't know. Imagine you wake tomorrow with bombs are dropped in your neighborhood, would you care about what Biden or Putin is talking about? No, you will try to save your family, because they are civilians like you and me. My guess is, this war is because of geopolitical games (not my expertise, just thinking out loud), not because we deeply care about Ukrainian people or Russians, we just care about our pockets, and selfish imperialism. If they don't obey us, let the regime change!
- gre 5y ago
  Is it hard to imagine there are people who want Putin to win as fast as possible so that fewer lives are lost and nuclear war is prevented? Ukraine should have stayed neutral wrt NATO, and at any time Zelensky can end his war, but he won't.
  - tuyguntn 5y ago
    this is exactly my point, thanks for pointing it out better than me! I don't care who wins at this moment, I vote for stopping war, not only in Ukraine, but in all other countries. If war stops tomorrow either with Russian win or EU win I am happy for both We are human species, we haven't chose Earth, why millions should get killed for the ambitious of very small subset of humans
numpad0 5y ago
Considering that Russia is literally shelling civilians with intent and sending captive civilians to gulags, I think their options boil down to: a) die, or, b) fight to death with so-so chances of survival. It is not a choice between: x) to live under Russian rule(impossible as Russians don’t tolerate life) x) or die(possible but not a choice). As such, recommending a surrender is just trolling. Blame Russians for that!

Not an appropriate question for HN though. Not that it makes a difference to their comment here, which is entirely reasonable.

DocTomoe 5y ago
Advocatus diaboli: WHY is it not an "appropriate" question for NH, and who decides what is appropriate?
- ummonk 5y ago
  I think the guidelines are pretty straightforward - pure politics is inappropriate for HN, but if it's some phenomenon of interest to hackers then it's okay: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html As to who decides, I believe it's a combination of user flagging and moderation by a few HN mods.

tuyguntn 5y ago

Kudos to you! I don't get how people behave when you try to look from other people's perspective and share your opinion, if it doesn't match with their opinion, you immediately marked as "brainwashed", "troll", "stupid conservative" and so on. Why on Earth we gave up diversity of opinions and started thinking only one side is always right. * US can ban mass media - stopping propoganda. any other country banning media - violation of freedom of speech * US invades a country, destroys economy for another 50 years - fighting for human rights. any other country, aggressor * CIA tortures - that's fine, we need to get terrorists. any other country - human right violations. * US says something - right! any other person - ohh brainwashed, troll, as if we don't have a brain and we don't compare actions of governments

hackerfromthefu 5y ago

The theme of their posts seems consistent with what a russian psy-op would be. Probably a paid inciter/troll.

tuyguntn 5y ago
First of all, I am not a Russian, not paid by Russia and 100% chance I can't prove it to you that I am not a troll, so I don't care, that's clear. What I can tell you is, I don't trust USA with its politicans like * George Bush * Hillary Clinton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI happy for destroying a nation) * Joe Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927i2HAgxms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927i2HAgxms telling how he suggested bombing Belgrade) * Colin Powell (famous lier, who lied to invade another country) and many more stupid politicians. I don't trust Putin as well, but that's not main issue here, my concern is ordinary people, like you and me are dying! for what? they even don't know. Imagine you wake tomorrow with bombs are dropped in your neighborhood, would you care about what Biden or Putin is talking about? No, you will try to save your family, because they are civilians like you and me. My guess is, this war is because of geopolitical games (not my expertise, just thinking out loud), not because we deeply care about Ukrainian people or Russians, we just care about our pockets, and selfish imperialism. If they don't obey us, let the regime change!
gre 5y ago
Is it hard to imagine there are people who want Putin to win as fast as possible so that fewer lives are lost and nuclear war is prevented? Ukraine should have stayed neutral wrt NATO, and at any time Zelensky can end his war, but he won't.
- tuyguntn 5y ago
  this is exactly my point, thanks for pointing it out better than me! I don't care who wins at this moment, I vote for stopping war, not only in Ukraine, but in all other countries. If war stops tomorrow either with Russian win or EU win I am happy for both We are human species, we haven't chose Earth, why millions should get killed for the ambitious of very small subset of humans

numpad0 5y ago

Considering that Russia is literally shelling civilians with intent and sending captive civilians to gulags, I think their options boil down to: a) die, or, b) fight to death with so-so chances of survival. It is not a choice between: x) to live under Russian rule(impossible as Russians don’t tolerate life) x) or die(possible but not a choice). As such, recommending a surrender is just trolling. Blame Russians for that!