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There won't be consensus. This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign and the other party just

There won't be consensus. This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign and the other party just wanting to be left in peace. How the fuck should a compromise look like here? It's like being robbed at gunpoint and negotiating a deal with the robber about how much you might keep.

tuyguntn 5y ago
> This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign Can you name the party? if you say Russia, put yourself on their shoes and answer the question, if you see NATO expanding to your borders together with the country ruled by people like Geroge Bush, Hillary Clinton (see how she is happy for destroying whole nation and their government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI), Joe Biden (I was suggesting we bomb Belgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vei_18YcC6E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vei_18YcC6E) and Colin Powell who blatantly lied about bio weapons and illegally invaded another country, would you believe their word and allow them to expand to Ukraine? Country fighting for free speech who put Julian Assange on jail because he exposed US crime? I wouldn't believe, I don't agree with Putin on starting war, but I also believe, he didn't wake up with migraine and decided to start a war, no he was pushed to this war
- choeger 5y ago
  That's completely and utterly bonkers. First of all, Russia has nuclear weapons. No one is ever going to invade Moscow as long as that is the case. Full stop. Second, even if there were no nuclear weapons in play, NATO ain't the USA and UK alone. Most NATO states had more or less castrated their military to the point that even successful conventional defense depends cooperation with all other members. That's over since 2014 and even more so since 2022. Putin woke the sleeping giant. Germany alone will more than match Russia's conventional military in the future. Putin created his own opponent. Before that, NATO was structurally incapable of attacking Russia conventionally without a year long buildup of forces. And finally, if it comes to the thread of a color revolution: Putin has had all the chances to both develop close and lasting ties to the EU and make his own people happy. He had the money and the tools. All he would have needed to do was to stop running the country like a mafia clan. He could have gone down in history as the great Russian reformer but now he will go down as its grave digger.
ummonk 5y ago
This war started in 2014 when a foreign funded protest was created to overthrow a democratically elected (albeit corrupt) government. This government then responded to local demands for autonomy in minority provinces by attacking them with neo-Nazi militia for the past 8 years.
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  Do you genuinely believe that the top levels of Russian government care about the people of DPR and LPR? If you do, then you're a fool. If you don't, then you're a liar.
- choeger 5y ago
  That's just retroactive rewriting of history. These "local demands for autonomy" where a violent, foreign funded, uprising. It was about to be crushed by the legitimate Ukrainian military which was in turn crushed by the Russian army. The Neonazi militias occured afterwards and filled the power vacuum left by Ukrainian army.

tuyguntn 5y ago

> This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign Can you name the party? if you say Russia, put yourself on their shoes and answer the question, if you see NATO expanding to your borders together with the country ruled by people like Geroge Bush, Hillary Clinton (see how she is happy for destroying whole nation and their government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI), Joe Biden (I was suggesting we bomb Belgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vei_18YcC6E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vei_18YcC6E) and Colin Powell who blatantly lied about bio weapons and illegally invaded another country, would you believe their word and allow them to expand to Ukraine? Country fighting for free speech who put Julian Assange on jail because he exposed US crime? I wouldn't believe, I don't agree with Putin on starting war, but I also believe, he didn't wake up with migraine and decided to start a war, no he was pushed to this war

choeger 5y ago
That's completely and utterly bonkers. First of all, Russia has nuclear weapons. No one is ever going to invade Moscow as long as that is the case. Full stop. Second, even if there were no nuclear weapons in play, NATO ain't the USA and UK alone. Most NATO states had more or less castrated their military to the point that even successful conventional defense depends cooperation with all other members. That's over since 2014 and even more so since 2022. Putin woke the sleeping giant. Germany alone will more than match Russia's conventional military in the future. Putin created his own opponent. Before that, NATO was structurally incapable of attacking Russia conventionally without a year long buildup of forces. And finally, if it comes to the thread of a color revolution: Putin has had all the chances to both develop close and lasting ties to the EU and make his own people happy. He had the money and the tools. All he would have needed to do was to stop running the country like a mafia clan. He could have gone down in history as the great Russian reformer but now he will go down as its grave digger.

ummonk 5y ago

This war started in 2014 when a foreign funded protest was created to overthrow a democratically elected (albeit corrupt) government. This government then responded to local demands for autonomy in minority provinces by attacking them with neo-Nazi militia for the past 8 years.

FDSGSG 5y ago
Do you genuinely believe that the top levels of Russian government care about the people of DPR and LPR? If you do, then you're a fool. If you don't, then you're a liar.
choeger 5y ago
That's just retroactive rewriting of history. These "local demands for autonomy" where a violent, foreign funded, uprising. It was about to be crushed by the legitimate Ukrainian military which was in turn crushed by the Russian army. The Neonazi militias occured afterwards and filled the power vacuum left by Ukrainian army.