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Well, the "Wagner" by itself is a reference to Richard Wagner which is commonly associated with Nazy Germany [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_contr

by splix 5y ago

Well, the "Wagner" by itself is a reference to Richard Wagner which is commonly associated with Nazy Germany [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies

pphysch 5y ago
That is an absurd guilt by association. Hitler does not own all references to a composer that he enjoyed posthumously. By your logic, the Nexus Institute and its guests are neo-Nazis because they had a Wagner-themed round table discussion. https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-institut-conference-the-ring-or-what-will-rule-the-world https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-ins...
- tyrfing 5y ago
  It disproves your original statement of "1 unverified image". There's much more, and there's certainly no reason to think it's a coincidence the guy chose a callsign with clear Nazi symbolism. Good luck keeping this up if you admit Rusich has anything to do with Wagner.
  - pphysch 5y ago
    It does not prove anything. It is an evidence-free attempt at guilt by association. The only "evidence" I have seen to support the claim that Wagner is a neo-Nazi org is a single bizarre selfie of a Nazi-tattoo covered guy that some Western media alleged is the founder of Wagner. Again, most likely just misinformation.
- splix 5y ago
  No, you're changing my words. I didn't tell that everything Wagner related is always neo-Nazi. I said that they choose the name because it's common to think that Wagner is associated with Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter if latter is true or not because it's only a label to send a message. Same as 14 and 88 are just numbers and are not necessary to mean Nazi, but when you see certain type of people using them you understand what they mean.
  - pphysch 5y ago
    "Wagner are neoNazis because they choose the name Wagner because they are neoNazis" Circular reasoning.

by splix 5y ago

pphysch 5y ago

That is an absurd guilt by association. Hitler does not own all references to a composer that he enjoyed posthumously. By your logic, the Nexus Institute and its guests are neo-Nazis because they had a Wagner-themed round table discussion. https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-institut-conference-the-ring-or-what-will-rule-the-world https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-ins...

tyrfing 5y ago
It disproves your original statement of "1 unverified image". There's much more, and there's certainly no reason to think it's a coincidence the guy chose a callsign with clear Nazi symbolism. Good luck keeping this up if you admit Rusich has anything to do with Wagner.
- pphysch 5y ago
  It does not prove anything. It is an evidence-free attempt at guilt by association. The only "evidence" I have seen to support the claim that Wagner is a neo-Nazi org is a single bizarre selfie of a Nazi-tattoo covered guy that some Western media alleged is the founder of Wagner. Again, most likely just misinformation.
splix 5y ago
No, you're changing my words. I didn't tell that everything Wagner related is always neo-Nazi. I said that they choose the name because it's common to think that Wagner is associated with Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter if latter is true or not because it's only a label to send a message. Same as 14 and 88 are just numbers and are not necessary to mean Nazi, but when you see certain type of people using them you understand what they mean.
- pphysch 5y ago
  "Wagner are neoNazis because they choose the name Wagner because they are neoNazis" Circular reasoning.