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I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. Germany cannot function without Russian gas right n

I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. Germany cannot function without Russian gas right now. Simple there isn’t enough BTU’s. Why did Germany put itself into this strange Russian dependency is also very strange. Perfectly fine and environmentally friendly nuclear power plants for dependency from Russian natural gas. Why?

zibzab 5y ago
> Why did Germany put itself into this strange Russian dependency is also very strange. Because they wanted to go green but also have a really, _really_ bad case of NIMBY.
gruez 5y ago
> I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. Is this a variant of poe's law? In other words, a campaign is considered so ridiculous that it couldn't possibly legitimate, and must be part of a foreign disinformation campaign?
grobclaw 5y ago
You're suggesting that Russia wants Germany to stop importing gas? If so, why doesn't Russia stop selling it, like they threaten to every now and then?
- motoboi 5y ago
  Russia wants to put Germany in a bad negotiation position. If internal pressure to shutdown Russian gas becomes too strong, and shutting down Russian gas is a tremendous self-inflicted harm, a better alternative for politicians is to find a quick compromise with Russia. Without russia having to publicly force this to happen.
lnsru 5y ago
Have you heard about guy called Gas Gerd? He did amazing job lobbying Russian gas for decades.
numpad0 5y ago
It did create extra few devices that can be used to escalate on and send messages using towards a declaration of a war. Ain’t stupid if it works I guess. e: also: didn’t verify but seen on social media that there had been studies on general difficulties of construction for nuclear plants, and apparently in one such data, it was estimated that 3-6 times more machinery such as valves, pumps, motors, etc would be necessary compared to other types of generator[, and industries in some nations had declined compared to golden ages that they would no longer be able to source that amount]. Everyone can make a nuke but not necessarily at scale, it seems.
enriquto 5y ago
> I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. The exact same thing can be said about the policies of the german green party, if you think about it.
Archelaos 5y ago
> Why did Germany put itself into this strange Russian dependency is also very strange. For the same reason, the US has long been dependent on Russia for space travel and is still dependent for the ISS: It worked for a long time quite well, was cheaper and more secure than the alternatives, and that Putin running amok was a scenario that most people did not think was likely, if they have imagined it at all. Recall that until recently the US was more concerned about China than Russia.
- motoboi 5y ago
  This Russian gas dependency was solidified well into Russian recent developments. After Crimea invasion, as an example. After Russian influence over American election.
  - nopcode 5y ago
    > After Crimea invasion, as an example. After Russian influence over American election. There wasn't that much bloodshed in Crimea. And to be honest, nobody really knew if the people there were pro or anti Russia anyway. Russia and USA have been influencing each others elections, and those of almost every other nation in the world for many decades. These events weren't even close to what is happening now. Also, why is it Germany's duty to protect Ukraine anyway?
hogrider 5y ago
The analysis I've heard leading to the invasion is the interdependence is calculated since that's what brought peace to western Europe, they'd hope the same with Russia.

zibzab 5y ago

> Why did Germany put itself into this strange Russian dependency is also very strange. Because they wanted to go green but also have a really, _really_ bad case of NIMBY.

gruez 5y ago

> I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. Is this a variant of poe's law? In other words, a campaign is considered so ridiculous that it couldn't possibly legitimate, and must be part of a foreign disinformation campaign?

grobclaw 5y ago

You're suggesting that Russia wants Germany to stop importing gas? If so, why doesn't Russia stop selling it, like they threaten to every now and then?

motoboi 5y ago
Russia wants to put Germany in a bad negotiation position. If internal pressure to shutdown Russian gas becomes too strong, and shutting down Russian gas is a tremendous self-inflicted harm, a better alternative for politicians is to find a quick compromise with Russia. Without russia having to publicly force this to happen.

lnsru 5y ago

Have you heard about guy called Gas Gerd? He did amazing job lobbying Russian gas for decades.

numpad0 5y ago

It did create extra few devices that can be used to escalate on and send messages using towards a declaration of a war. Ain’t stupid if it works I guess. e: also: didn’t verify but seen on social media that there had been studies on general difficulties of construction for nuclear plants, and apparently in one such data, it was estimated that 3-6 times more machinery such as valves, pumps, motors, etc would be necessary compared to other types of generator[, and industries in some nations had declined compared to golden ages that they would no longer be able to source that amount]. Everyone can make a nuke but not necessarily at scale, it seems.

enriquto 5y ago

> I wouldn’t doubt, given the nefarious consequences for Germany, that this site is Russian INFOSEC campaign. The exact same thing can be said about the policies of the german green party, if you think about it.

Archelaos 5y ago

> Why did Germany put itself into this strange Russian dependency is also very strange. For the same reason, the US has long been dependent on Russia for space travel and is still dependent for the ISS: It worked for a long time quite well, was cheaper and more secure than the alternatives, and that Putin running amok was a scenario that most people did not think was likely, if they have imagined it at all. Recall that until recently the US was more concerned about China than Russia.

motoboi 5y ago
This Russian gas dependency was solidified well into Russian recent developments. After Crimea invasion, as an example. After Russian influence over American election.
- nopcode 5y ago
  > After Crimea invasion, as an example. After Russian influence over American election. There wasn't that much bloodshed in Crimea. And to be honest, nobody really knew if the people there were pro or anti Russia anyway. Russia and USA have been influencing each others elections, and those of almost every other nation in the world for many decades. These events weren't even close to what is happening now. Also, why is it Germany's duty to protect Ukraine anyway?

hogrider 5y ago

The analysis I've heard leading to the invasion is the interdependence is calculated since that's what brought peace to western Europe, they'd hope the same with Russia.