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Enslaving people used to be wildly popular behavior as well... So do you propose we stop trying to bend society into something less bad?

• shadowgovt 5y ago
  In my country, we didn't end that practice without a civil war. I think that story is an excellent example of the limits of the coersive power of law. Even though the goal is righteous, the law may be the wrong tool to achieve it. What alternative tools can be deployed on this topic?
  • Nextgrid 5y ago
    The law has yet to be enforced properly and consistently. Enforcing the law would be a good start before considering alternative options.
    • shadowgovt 5y ago
      Is the issue of consistent and proper enforcement a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue, or a lack of resources to police / monitor / enforce issue right now? IIUC, enforcement must be "proportionate," but that's a pretty anxiety-inducing word in a law unless there's either solid precedent to establish what that word means or an oversight board. And if the issue is that they're under-funded, I agree with increasing resources to proportionate to the need to properly enforce the law. Coupled with proper proportionate penalties (including warnings for good-faith efforts to compliance, making the law a bit more like online speeding tickets than the 20-million-euro minimum penalty suggests it should be), it may be able to adjust behavior. On the other hand, I'd expect the resulting behavior adjustment magnitude to be in the realm of speeding tickets (with the occasional reckless-driving for, say, a FAANG mass-harvesting data). Maybe that's good enough for the goals though.