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the quote makes it clear that FB is enabling threats against the Russian military (and Russians in the context of war), which would naturally cause the Russian

the quote makes it clear that FB is enabling threats against the Russian military (and Russians in the context of war), which would naturally cause the Russian govt to classify them as a hostile actor. the Azov movement is the neo-Nazi organization, which is clear from reporting prior to 2022: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-... https://jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-Ukrainian-militia-441884 https://jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-... https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329 theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/02/neo-nazi-groups-recruit-britons-to-fight-in-ukraine

freedomben 5y ago
I think your comment is helpful, but your username does make it more interesting :-D
xdennis 5y ago
Not walking meekly into the gas chamber is a hostile action according to the Russians. Russia has neo-nazis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group ), islamists ( Kadyrov's thugs ) and they're planning on having al-Assad's soldiers over to slaughter Ukrainians. The Azov guys are at least doing something good for once: defending people.
- propogandist 5y ago
  >The Azov guys are at least doing something good for once It looks like Putin called them out early on in the conflict (Feb 25) so I believe their presence is doing more harm than good >Russian President Vladimir Putin calls on the Ukrainian army to overthrow the country’s leadership whom he described as “terrorists” and “a gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis.” https://timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-calls-on-ukraine-army-to-remove-neo-nazi-leadership-in-kyiv/ https://timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-calls-on-ukra...
  - boardwaalk 5y ago
    I don’t understand what you’re saying here. If Putin is against something it’s doing more harm than good? That’s an extremely low bar, because he and the Russian gov say a lot of things, a lot of which are untrue.
- pphysch 5y ago
  The "Wagner = neo-Nazi" narrative appears to be disinformation based on 1 unverified image
  - splix 5y ago
    Well, the "Wagner" by itself is a reference to Richard Wagner which is commonly associated with Nazy Germany [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies
    - pphysch 5y ago
      That is an absurd guilt by association. Hitler does not own all references to a composer that he enjoyed posthumously. By your logic, the Nexus Institute and its guests are neo-Nazis because they had a Wagner-themed round table discussion. https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-institut-conference-the-ring-or-what-will-rule-the-world https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-ins...
      - tyrfing 5y ago
        It disproves your original statement of "1 unverified image". There's much more, and there's certainly no reason to think it's a coincidence the guy chose a callsign with clear Nazi symbolism. Good luck keeping this up if you admit Rusich has anything to do with Wagner.
        pphysch 5y ago
        It does not prove anything. It is an evidence-free attempt at guilt by association. The only "evidence" I have seen to support the claim that Wagner is a neo-Nazi org is a single bizarre selfie of a Nazi-tattoo covered guy that some Western media alleged is the founder of Wagner. Again, most likely just misinformation.
      - splix 5y ago
        No, you're changing my words. I didn't tell that everything Wagner related is always neo-Nazi. I said that they choose the name because it's common to think that Wagner is associated with Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter if latter is true or not because it's only a label to send a message. Same as 14 and 88 are just numbers and are not necessary to mean Nazi, but when you see certain type of people using them you understand what they mean.

freedomben 5y ago

I think your comment is helpful, but your username does make it more interesting :-D

xdennis 5y ago

Not walking meekly into the gas chamber is a hostile action according to the Russians. Russia has neo-nazis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group ), islamists ( Kadyrov's thugs ) and they're planning on having al-Assad's soldiers over to slaughter Ukrainians. The Azov guys are at least doing something good for once: defending people.

propogandist 5y ago
>The Azov guys are at least doing something good for once It looks like Putin called them out early on in the conflict (Feb 25) so I believe their presence is doing more harm than good >Russian President Vladimir Putin calls on the Ukrainian army to overthrow the country’s leadership whom he described as “terrorists” and “a gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis.” https://timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-calls-on-ukraine-army-to-remove-neo-nazi-leadership-in-kyiv/ https://timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-calls-on-ukra...
- boardwaalk 5y ago
  I don’t understand what you’re saying here. If Putin is against something it’s doing more harm than good? That’s an extremely low bar, because he and the Russian gov say a lot of things, a lot of which are untrue.
pphysch 5y ago
The "Wagner = neo-Nazi" narrative appears to be disinformation based on 1 unverified image
- splix 5y ago
  Well, the "Wagner" by itself is a reference to Richard Wagner which is commonly associated with Nazy Germany [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies
  - pphysch 5y ago
    That is an absurd guilt by association. Hitler does not own all references to a composer that he enjoyed posthumously. By your logic, the Nexus Institute and its guests are neo-Nazis because they had a Wagner-themed round table discussion. https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-institut-conference-the-ring-or-what-will-rule-the-world https://prometheanartists.com/new-events/2019/11/9/nexus-ins...
    - tyrfing 5y ago
      It disproves your original statement of "1 unverified image". There's much more, and there's certainly no reason to think it's a coincidence the guy chose a callsign with clear Nazi symbolism. Good luck keeping this up if you admit Rusich has anything to do with Wagner.
      - pphysch 5y ago
        It does not prove anything. It is an evidence-free attempt at guilt by association. The only "evidence" I have seen to support the claim that Wagner is a neo-Nazi org is a single bizarre selfie of a Nazi-tattoo covered guy that some Western media alleged is the founder of Wagner. Again, most likely just misinformation.
    - splix 5y ago
      No, you're changing my words. I didn't tell that everything Wagner related is always neo-Nazi. I said that they choose the name because it's common to think that Wagner is associated with Nazi Germany. It doesn't matter if latter is true or not because it's only a label to send a message. Same as 14 and 88 are just numbers and are not necessary to mean Nazi, but when you see certain type of people using them you understand what they mean.