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> I disagree with it but it is ultimately your choice. Is it? If you want a modern smartphone experience (I don't mean one from 2005) you only get to choose wh

> I disagree with it but it is ultimately your choice. Is it? If you want a modern smartphone experience (I don't mean one from 2005) you only get to choose which option you find 'less bad' between Apple and Google.

Vixel 5y ago
Apple (without any Google or FB apps installed) is definitely the lesser of two evils in that scenario.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  Apple collects less data, but they definitely still collect a lot. They're also extremely user-hostile (you can't choose what you want to install, only what Apple wants you to install). In fact, the author of the present study published an article on the former topic last year: > We investigate what data iOS on an iPhone shares with Apple and what data Google Android on a Pixel phone shares with Google. We find that even when minimally configured and the handset is idle both iOS and Google Android share data with Apple/Google on average every 4.5 mins. The phone IMEI, hardware serial number, SIM serial number and IMSI, handset phone number etc are shared with Apple and Google. Both iOS and Google Android transmit telemetry, despite the user explicitly opting out of this. When a SIM is inserted both iOS and Google Android send details to Apple/Google. iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sharing. Leith, D. J. (2021, September). Mobile Handset Privacy: Measuring The Data iOS and Android Send to Apple And Google. URL: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf
nerdjon 5y ago
I guess in that instance I am more referring to Facebook than Google. Even with Google you have a choice (ish) in just how much data of yours they gather up since there are alternatives. But true, the choice not super there but I trust Apple more than Google personally.
- arthem 5y ago
  > I trust Apple more than Google personally Curious as to what the basis for this is? As I understood it much if not most of Apple's OS and software is a pandoras box so we have no real idea as to what it tracks and/or sends back to Apple.
  - nerdjon 5y ago
    For me it's primarily what their business is. Apple is in the business to sell me devices (and now services but with those devices). So while they may collect data about me, the value to them is ultimately different. Where Google's entire business is advertising. So they benefit from getting as much data from me not only directly from my device but from browsing or any other source of data they can find. And then mining that data to sell me to the people paying for ads. I have gotten to the point that I am... accepting... data collection as something that I can just not get away from. I do what I can to limit it. But there is a limit to what I can realistically do about it. So what I care about is limiting how much of that data is in a single place as well as what those place's business model is and what they might be doing with that data.
    - soundnote 5y ago
      Apple has an advertising business as well.
dotancohen 5y ago
> If you want a modern smartphone experience (I don't mean one from 2005) you only > get to choose which option you find 'less bad' between Apple and Google. This is a market failure, is it not? I would perfectly happy to pay twice what I paid for my Samsung Note 10 to another company that provides me with: - A useful stylus - A useful contacts suite and dialer that can sync CardDav (I use True Phone). - A useful calendar that can sync CalDav (I use Business Calendar 2). - Runs an Anki implementation (I use Ankidroid) - Can sync text files with a desktop computer (I sync .org and .md files via ADB) - Has a voice recorder However, nobody makes such a phone. And this model of Note is not supported by e.g. LineageOS, though I suppose that I could buy an older Note. The real problem is the stylus, no other phone has one.
- brokenmachine 5y ago
  I don't care about a stylus but I want a headphone socket.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    This Note 10 Lite has one! And I must admit, I've never used it. But I'm reassured that it is there.

Vixel 5y ago

Apple (without any Google or FB apps installed) is definitely the lesser of two evils in that scenario.

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Tijdreiziger 5y ago
Apple collects less data, but they definitely still collect a lot. They're also extremely user-hostile (you can't choose what you want to install, only what Apple wants you to install). In fact, the author of the present study published an article on the former topic last year: > We investigate what data iOS on an iPhone shares with Apple and what data Google Android on a Pixel phone shares with Google. We find that even when minimally configured and the handset is idle both iOS and Google Android share data with Apple/Google on average every 4.5 mins. The phone IMEI, hardware serial number, SIM serial number and IMSI, handset phone number etc are shared with Apple and Google. Both iOS and Google Android transmit telemetry, despite the user explicitly opting out of this. When a SIM is inserted both iOS and Google Android send details to Apple/Google. iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sharing. Leith, D. J. (2021, September). Mobile Handset Privacy: Measuring The Data iOS and Android Send to Apple And Google. URL: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

nerdjon 5y ago

I guess in that instance I am more referring to Facebook than Google. Even with Google you have a choice (ish) in just how much data of yours they gather up since there are alternatives. But true, the choice not super there but I trust Apple more than Google personally.

arthem 5y ago
> I trust Apple more than Google personally Curious as to what the basis for this is? As I understood it much if not most of Apple's OS and software is a pandoras box so we have no real idea as to what it tracks and/or sends back to Apple.
- nerdjon 5y ago
  For me it's primarily what their business is. Apple is in the business to sell me devices (and now services but with those devices). So while they may collect data about me, the value to them is ultimately different. Where Google's entire business is advertising. So they benefit from getting as much data from me not only directly from my device but from browsing or any other source of data they can find. And then mining that data to sell me to the people paying for ads. I have gotten to the point that I am... accepting... data collection as something that I can just not get away from. I do what I can to limit it. But there is a limit to what I can realistically do about it. So what I care about is limiting how much of that data is in a single place as well as what those place's business model is and what they might be doing with that data.
  - soundnote 5y ago
    Apple has an advertising business as well.

dotancohen 5y ago

> If you want a modern smartphone experience (I don't mean one from 2005) you only > get to choose which option you find 'less bad' between Apple and Google. This is a market failure, is it not? I would perfectly happy to pay twice what I paid for my Samsung Note 10 to another company that provides me with: - A useful stylus - A useful contacts suite and dialer that can sync CardDav (I use True Phone). - A useful calendar that can sync CalDav (I use Business Calendar 2). - Runs an Anki implementation (I use Ankidroid) - Can sync text files with a desktop computer (I sync .org and .md files via ADB) - Has a voice recorder However, nobody makes such a phone. And this model of Note is not supported by e.g. LineageOS, though I suppose that I could buy an older Note. The real problem is the stylus, no other phone has one.

brokenmachine 5y ago
I don't care about a stylus but I want a headphone socket.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  This Note 10 Lite has one! And I must admit, I've never used it. But I'm reassured that it is there.