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My experience has been nothing like yours. In my experience with Ubuntu 21.10, Wayland is still a glitchy, bug-ridden mess, despite more than a full decade of w

My experience has been nothing like yours. In my experience with Ubuntu 21.10, Wayland is still a glitchy, bug-ridden mess, despite more than a full decade of work. Just some random things that don't work: - If I alt-tab, I need to move the mouse before I can use my scroll wheel. If I try to scroll before moving the mouse, nothing happens. It's almost as if I need to move the mouse for Gnome to realize that a different window has focus - Basic Gnome commands (like restarting) are unavailable - For some reason, Gnome on Wayland can't handle Bluetooth as well as Gnome on X11. I used to have pretty regular Bluetooth disconnections on Wayland. Switching back to X cured the problem It's tempting to say that Gnome is the problem, but Gnome on X11 works just fine. To put it succinctly, it's MacOS interface for linux. Yes, insofar as recent versions of MacOS have also been glitchy, bug-ridden messes.

oxplot 5y ago
> Wayland is still a glitchy, bug-ridden mess, despite That sucks. As to your specific points: > If I alt-tab, I need to move the mouse before I can use my scroll wheel. Just tested this, doesn't seem to affect me. > Basic Gnome commands (like restarting) are unavailable. I can tap Command and then type restart and it shows up as an item on the drawer. Fastest way to restart short of assigning a shortcut for me. > For some reason, Gnome on Wayland can't handle Bluetooth as well as Gnome on X11. Too early to say for me, but so far, Bluetooth has been equally solid. As a bonus, I discovered Pipewire from the comments on this post and now I can use the headset mode of my Airpods Pro! > Yes, insofar as recent versions of MacOS have also been glitchy, bug-ridden messes. The issue with Mac is that a glitch or a bug isn't something you can hope to fix even if you have the skills. Linux affords you that which is very powerful. EDIT: I run Arch Linux btw.
- oauea 5y ago
  > I can tap Command and then type restart and it shows up as an item on the drawer. Fastest way to restart short of assigning a shortcut for me. Then you're not using GNOME on Wayland. Or are you mistaking restarting GNOME with restarting your whole operating system? GNOME is rather buggy, so for years you've been able to restart it (when running under X11) with Alt+F2 and typing restart. This keeps your login session, all your running apps, it just restarts the bugged out GNOME. Very convenient. And in case you want to develop GNOME extensions, almost essential. This is simply not available under Wayland, unless there have been very recent changes?
  - oxplot 5y ago
    > Or are you mistaking restarting GNOME with restarting your whole operating system? Whole OS. In 15 years of using linux, I don't remember having to only restart my desktop environment. But then again, I don't develop extensions.
quotemstr 5y ago
For me, the lack of window menu accelerators is a dealbreaker: I'm used to being able to hit alt-space then x to maximize, alt-space then c to close, and so on. Most windowing systems support these keystrokes. Gnome doesn't, and because the window menu is rendered using a non-GTK toolkit (because of course it is), it's surprisingly annoying to add these accelerators. It's not just this one thing either: every single time I try Gnome, I last about two hours before I run into some random thing I want that the Gnome developers won't let me do because they have Design and Vision and know better than I do how my desktop environment should function. I keep trying KDE once in a while too and hit different issues, usually related to stability or clutter. I miss Unity actually. But it was a huge effort to patch every app to support top menus and launcher badges, and I don't blame Canonical for giving up. Right now, I'm using Cinnamon, which is both unstable and unfeatureful in some ways, but that at least doesn't continually annoy me in ways that Gnome and KDE do.

oxplot 5y ago

> Wayland is still a glitchy, bug-ridden mess, despite That sucks. As to your specific points: > If I alt-tab, I need to move the mouse before I can use my scroll wheel. Just tested this, doesn't seem to affect me. > Basic Gnome commands (like restarting) are unavailable. I can tap Command and then type restart and it shows up as an item on the drawer. Fastest way to restart short of assigning a shortcut for me. > For some reason, Gnome on Wayland can't handle Bluetooth as well as Gnome on X11. Too early to say for me, but so far, Bluetooth has been equally solid. As a bonus, I discovered Pipewire from the comments on this post and now I can use the headset mode of my Airpods Pro! > Yes, insofar as recent versions of MacOS have also been glitchy, bug-ridden messes. The issue with Mac is that a glitch or a bug isn't something you can hope to fix even if you have the skills. Linux affords you that which is very powerful. EDIT: I run Arch Linux btw.

oauea 5y ago
> I can tap Command and then type restart and it shows up as an item on the drawer. Fastest way to restart short of assigning a shortcut for me. Then you're not using GNOME on Wayland. Or are you mistaking restarting GNOME with restarting your whole operating system? GNOME is rather buggy, so for years you've been able to restart it (when running under X11) with Alt+F2 and typing restart. This keeps your login session, all your running apps, it just restarts the bugged out GNOME. Very convenient. And in case you want to develop GNOME extensions, almost essential. This is simply not available under Wayland, unless there have been very recent changes?
- oxplot 5y ago
  > Or are you mistaking restarting GNOME with restarting your whole operating system? Whole OS. In 15 years of using linux, I don't remember having to only restart my desktop environment. But then again, I don't develop extensions.

quotemstr 5y ago

For me, the lack of window menu accelerators is a dealbreaker: I'm used to being able to hit alt-space then x to maximize, alt-space then c to close, and so on. Most windowing systems support these keystrokes. Gnome doesn't, and because the window menu is rendered using a non-GTK toolkit (because of course it is), it's surprisingly annoying to add these accelerators. It's not just this one thing either: every single time I try Gnome, I last about two hours before I run into some random thing I want that the Gnome developers won't let me do because they have Design and Vision and know better than I do how my desktop environment should function. I keep trying KDE once in a while too and hit different issues, usually related to stability or clutter. I miss Unity actually. But it was a huge effort to patch every app to support top menus and launcher badges, and I don't blame Canonical for giving up. Right now, I'm using Cinnamon, which is both unstable and unfeatureful in some ways, but that at least doesn't continually annoy me in ways that Gnome and KDE do.