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>My advice for those reading is: Try it for yourself! Most of the haters haven't used Gnome since 2004 Until Gnome philosophy and attitude changes I will not t

>My advice for those reading is: Try it for yourself! Most of the haters haven't used Gnome since 2004 Until Gnome philosophy and attitude changes I will not touch it. I have vision disabilities so shit looking cool is zero advantage for me, I prefer function over form.

seb1204 5y ago
What are your recommendations for users with vision disability?
- simion314 5y ago
  >What are your recommendations for users with vision disability? I use KDE , some of the features: 1 easy to setup global shortcuts , I can trigger my custom scripts just with a key press (so this is not a casual user feature) 2 the Zoom Kwin plugin, I use this all the time, you can set what kebyoard shortcut you want (when I tested Windows 7 the Zoom feature keys are hard coded and you had to use 2 hands to zoom in and out and it had lag, so KDE Zoom is better then Windows (maybe recent windows improved...)) ... no idea about GNOME Zoom , last time I was using Compiz with Gnome to get it. 3 KDE has an easy way to let you set font sizes for Qt and GTK apps, those GNOME assholes will never attempt to support Qt apps on their desktop 4 I use a deprecated KDE app called joview for text to speech, cool feature is it has a queue and I can put stuff in the queue and have it read it to me. I do not care for natural sounding voices, my TTS is setup to max speed anyway so it will sound unnatural anyway. From what I read from the accessibility mailing list the situation is not as good for blind people, there are still issues that need solving and only volunteers are working on this area , but they will respond and try to fix bugs. 3
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    > (when I tested Windows 7 the Zoom feature keys are hard coded and you had to use 2 hands to zoom in and out and it had lag, so KDE Zoom is better then Windows (maybe recent windows improved...)) Windows Magnifier keys are still hardcoded (as of Windows 10), but zooming in/out with [Win]+[+] and [Win]+[-] can be done with one hand (using right [Win]) and performance is pretty good once it's running (turning it on or changing mode has a huge delay though).
dralley 5y ago
This seems kind of ironic? Gnome has massive buttons and icons (to the consternation of many users) specifically because it's more accessible. When was the last time you tried it?
- simion314 5y ago
  Gnome has big buttons and giant paddings because they target touch screens. But my point is that I don't care about all buttons have exactly same corner radius, I need features like a tray system to be able to access my non Gnome apps quickly(like I need to change the TTS program language), GNOME is good for you if what that big ego designers imposed is what you want, if it is not what you want then even GNOME community will tell you to use some else because GNOME has a vision, minimal features, form over function, excuses for incompetent developers
  - thefunnyman 5y ago
    Have you shared this accessibility feedback with the gnome team directly? There’s been a huge push in recent years to make software more accessible and it’s very likely these frustrations are the result of ignorance more than malice on the part of the developers and designers. I think they’d appreciate your perspective. I know I would as a software engineer.
    - lp0_on_fire 5y ago
      The gnome team isn't exactly known for being receptive to things outside their vision/interest.
  - nextaccountic 5y ago
    With about 10 extensions, I can make Gnome perfect. Yes this include bringing systray back. The trouble is, it will break on every new gnome version, because Gnome devs don't believe in backwards compatibility ever for their extensions APIs. Just imagine if a browser did this.
smoldesu 5y ago
Unfortunately, my colorblind friends also share this sentiment. They had to leave GNOME after they pulled support for custom stylesheets, which is a really short-sighted move for a DE that's trying to be more accessible.

seb1204 5y ago

What are your recommendations for users with vision disability?

simion314 5y ago
>What are your recommendations for users with vision disability? I use KDE , some of the features: 1 easy to setup global shortcuts , I can trigger my custom scripts just with a key press (so this is not a casual user feature) 2 the Zoom Kwin plugin, I use this all the time, you can set what kebyoard shortcut you want (when I tested Windows 7 the Zoom feature keys are hard coded and you had to use 2 hands to zoom in and out and it had lag, so KDE Zoom is better then Windows (maybe recent windows improved...)) ... no idea about GNOME Zoom , last time I was using Compiz with Gnome to get it. 3 KDE has an easy way to let you set font sizes for Qt and GTK apps, those GNOME assholes will never attempt to support Qt apps on their desktop 4 I use a deprecated KDE app called joview for text to speech, cool feature is it has a queue and I can put stuff in the queue and have it read it to me. I do not care for natural sounding voices, my TTS is setup to max speed anyway so it will sound unnatural anyway. From what I read from the accessibility mailing list the situation is not as good for blind people, there are still issues that need solving and only volunteers are working on this area , but they will respond and try to fix bugs. 3
- wongarsu 5y ago
  > (when I tested Windows 7 the Zoom feature keys are hard coded and you had to use 2 hands to zoom in and out and it had lag, so KDE Zoom is better then Windows (maybe recent windows improved...)) Windows Magnifier keys are still hardcoded (as of Windows 10), but zooming in/out with [Win]+[+] and [Win]+[-] can be done with one hand (using right [Win]) and performance is pretty good once it's running (turning it on or changing mode has a huge delay though).

dralley 5y ago

This seems kind of ironic? Gnome has massive buttons and icons (to the consternation of many users) specifically because it's more accessible. When was the last time you tried it?

simion314 5y ago
Gnome has big buttons and giant paddings because they target touch screens. But my point is that I don't care about all buttons have exactly same corner radius, I need features like a tray system to be able to access my non Gnome apps quickly(like I need to change the TTS program language), GNOME is good for you if what that big ego designers imposed is what you want, if it is not what you want then even GNOME community will tell you to use some else because GNOME has a vision, minimal features, form over function, excuses for incompetent developers
- thefunnyman 5y ago
  Have you shared this accessibility feedback with the gnome team directly? There’s been a huge push in recent years to make software more accessible and it’s very likely these frustrations are the result of ignorance more than malice on the part of the developers and designers. I think they’d appreciate your perspective. I know I would as a software engineer.
  - lp0_on_fire 5y ago
    The gnome team isn't exactly known for being receptive to things outside their vision/interest.
- nextaccountic 5y ago
  With about 10 extensions, I can make Gnome perfect. Yes this include bringing systray back. The trouble is, it will break on every new gnome version, because Gnome devs don't believe in backwards compatibility ever for their extensions APIs. Just imagine if a browser did this.

smoldesu 5y ago

Unfortunately, my colorblind friends also share this sentiment. They had to leave GNOME after they pulled support for custom stylesheets, which is a really short-sighted move for a DE that's trying to be more accessible.