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Chernobyl is much more dangerous in hands of russian soldiers than Zaporozhskaya Power Plant. See, a complete destruction of ZNPP Unit by an external force (bo

Chernobyl is much more dangerous in hands of russian soldiers than Zaporozhskaya Power Plant. See, a complete destruction of ZNPP Unit by an external force (bomb) is going to contaminate the immediate area but not much further. It won't be nowhere near at the scale of Chernobyl accident. On the other hand, The Shelter in Chernobyl NPP contains 50,000+ tons of highly radioactive and highly volatile (light) dust particles of graphite and concrete. If they destroy Novarka and The Shelter in the worst case scenario half of Europe becomes the exclusion zone. Source: I am closely working with Chernobyl guys. Based on what we see so far in this invasion, we have no reason to rule out intentional destruction of The Shelter.

kranke155 5y ago
You have every reason to rule out the destruction of the Shelter since the plant is right next to the Belarus border... which is Russia's ally.
- egorfine 5y ago
  Unfortunately it seems to me that conventional logic isn't really helpful to bring a better understanding of the circumstances of this war. For instance, you wouldn't expect sane combatant to repeatedly fire ordnance directly into the nuclear power plant units. In Chernobyl they have already disrupted the top soil level and dug back radioactive particles back in the air and thus in the lungs and GI tracts of their soldiers and civilians unlucky enough to live where the wind blows. Given the Putin's rhetoric of "why do we need the world without Russia" and similar we cannot rule out destruction of The Shelter.
  - kranke155 5y ago
    Yes we can because it makes no strategic or tactical sense. The so called strikes against nuclear power plants were made far too big of a deal. Ukraine is trying to blow everything out of proportion - and I say this being a total supporter of Ukraine - so that US/EU will help them. There has been no real danger of incidents around nuclear power plants that I’ve seen, just Ukrainian propaganda efforts to try and frame the Russians for attempting one.
    - egorfine 5y ago
      > no real danger of incidents around nuclear power plants Top soil level disrupted in the Chernobyl zone. This is a big deal. Not chernobyl-accident-big, not fire-on-the-unit big, but still not a nuisance. I can kind of agree with you and I agree that our propaganda over exaggerates. So if Putin/military make decisions based on rational thought process then yes we don't have to worry. I'm just not sure they really do. I have seen things in this war which I do not understand from the strategic and tactical standpoint. It's not that they aren't reasons, it's just that I have not been able to figure them out so far.
      - kranke155 5y ago
        Putin is 100% acting according to his rational interests, it's just that his interests appear incomprehensible to us, who believe that progress is peace. Putin and his circle believe that progress is power, and they also believe that the reconstruction of Russian power is both needed and essential. It turns out that a lot of stuff that Putin was saying was TRUE, not just Trump-style bluster. He does believe that Russia should own a sphere of influence, and that a sort of USSR 2.0 project is both viable and desirable. This is shocking to us (I myself was shocked when he decided to go for a full invasion instead of just expanding the Donetsk and Luhansk republics), but not so much to Ukrainians. Basically we projected our values onto Putin and believed that he wanted to make his nation rich like the West. Turns out money for him is less important, relatively speaking, than direct power for Russia. See this video from a Ukrainian analyst where he accurately predicts and explains the war in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8
        egorfine 5y ago
        Yes, we are all listening to Arestovich daily and sometimes even more often. He's the comforting voice for ukrainians and officially an advisor for the president Zelensky. Meanwhile as we speak we have reports of russian soldiers with radiation poisoning arriving in hospitals in Belarus. While the reports are not yet confirmed, we fully expect that to happen: some of the russian troops are stationed right in the middle of the the Red Forest. Radiation levels in these woods were quite high by themselves even after all these years, but digging that specific soil with tanks and boots - that's a whole lot different story.

kranke155 5y ago

You have every reason to rule out the destruction of the Shelter since the plant is right next to the Belarus border... which is Russia's ally.

egorfine 5y ago
Unfortunately it seems to me that conventional logic isn't really helpful to bring a better understanding of the circumstances of this war. For instance, you wouldn't expect sane combatant to repeatedly fire ordnance directly into the nuclear power plant units. In Chernobyl they have already disrupted the top soil level and dug back radioactive particles back in the air and thus in the lungs and GI tracts of their soldiers and civilians unlucky enough to live where the wind blows. Given the Putin's rhetoric of "why do we need the world without Russia" and similar we cannot rule out destruction of The Shelter.
- kranke155 5y ago
  Yes we can because it makes no strategic or tactical sense. The so called strikes against nuclear power plants were made far too big of a deal. Ukraine is trying to blow everything out of proportion - and I say this being a total supporter of Ukraine - so that US/EU will help them. There has been no real danger of incidents around nuclear power plants that I’ve seen, just Ukrainian propaganda efforts to try and frame the Russians for attempting one.
  - egorfine 5y ago
    > no real danger of incidents around nuclear power plants Top soil level disrupted in the Chernobyl zone. This is a big deal. Not chernobyl-accident-big, not fire-on-the-unit big, but still not a nuisance. I can kind of agree with you and I agree that our propaganda over exaggerates. So if Putin/military make decisions based on rational thought process then yes we don't have to worry. I'm just not sure they really do. I have seen things in this war which I do not understand from the strategic and tactical standpoint. It's not that they aren't reasons, it's just that I have not been able to figure them out so far.
    - kranke155 5y ago
      Putin is 100% acting according to his rational interests, it's just that his interests appear incomprehensible to us, who believe that progress is peace. Putin and his circle believe that progress is power, and they also believe that the reconstruction of Russian power is both needed and essential. It turns out that a lot of stuff that Putin was saying was TRUE, not just Trump-style bluster. He does believe that Russia should own a sphere of influence, and that a sort of USSR 2.0 project is both viable and desirable. This is shocking to us (I myself was shocked when he decided to go for a full invasion instead of just expanding the Donetsk and Luhansk republics), but not so much to Ukrainians. Basically we projected our values onto Putin and believed that he wanted to make his nation rich like the West. Turns out money for him is less important, relatively speaking, than direct power for Russia. See this video from a Ukrainian analyst where he accurately predicts and explains the war in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8
      - egorfine 5y ago
        Yes, we are all listening to Arestovich daily and sometimes even more often. He's the comforting voice for ukrainians and officially an advisor for the president Zelensky. Meanwhile as we speak we have reports of russian soldiers with radiation poisoning arriving in hospitals in Belarus. While the reports are not yet confirmed, we fully expect that to happen: some of the russian troops are stationed right in the middle of the the Red Forest. Radiation levels in these woods were quite high by themselves even after all these years, but digging that specific soil with tanks and boots - that's a whole lot different story.